Controversial opinions on metal

[Elric of Melniboné]

Paranoid by Black Sabbath was a filler and listening to it you can easily tell. It's still a classic and their second most famous song.

That would be a good comparison if we were only talking about singles and not the band's entire output. All of their acclaimed albums have large amounts of filler on them. The Beatles have a lot of songs on their most popular albums that are definitely just filling space and not offering anything.

 

[CiG]

A bit confused by your definition of what filler is. Obviously the band liked the song, or they wouldn't have made it both the second track on the album and the title track.

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A lot of the "Paranoid" album was written around the time of our first album,"Black Sabbath". We recorded the whole thing in about 2 or 3 days, live in the studio. The song "Paranoid" was written as an afterthought. We basically needed a 3 minute filler for the album, and Tony came up with the riff. I quickly did the lyrics, and Ozzy was reading them as he was singing.

Paranoid was also used as the name of the album, and somewhat unusually, the word paranoid is never mentioned in the lyrics. Originally the band had wanted to call the album "War Pigs" after the song of the same name, but the record company persuaded them to use Paranoid instead because it was less offensive.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_(Black_Sabbath_song)

 

[MrTagoMago]

That would be a good comparison if we were only talking about singles and not the band's entire output. All of their acclaimed albums have large amounts of filler on them. The Beatles have a lot of songs on their most popular albums that are definitely just filling space and not offering anything.

I disagree since with most of their albums Even the weakest songs are very enjoyable to me.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I dont give a fuck what anyone says, Paranoid(the track) rules. And the album is a masterpiece, top to bottom.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I dont give a fuck what anyone says, Paranoid(the track) rules. And the album is a masterpiece, top to bottom.

No one's saying it's not a great song but I was using it as evidence even a filler can turn out to be a great song.

 

[Atomic Tide]

I dont give a fuck what anyone says, Paranoid(the track) rules. And the album is a masterpiece, top to bottom.

Note the moniker... a lyric lifted from my fave tune from this masterpiece.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I disagree since with most of their albums Even the weakest songs are very enjoyable to me.

Man, "Wild Honey Pie" is such a superb piece of songwriting. Only a timeless band could craft such a masterwork.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Man, "Wild Honey Pie" is such a superb piece of songwriting. Only a timeless band could craft such a masterwork.

It's funny and its not long enough to get on my nerves. Its not enough to fuck the album up. That's like saying Vol 4 is ruined by FX.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

No one's saying it's not a great song but I was using it as evidence even a filler can turn out to be a great song.

Not saying you did. But there are plenty of people who consider that track to be in the average to below average range. And like you said, the band members themselves weren't too fond of the track either(well at least when they first wrote it). But that all means jack shit to me.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

It's funny and its not long enough to get on my nerves. Its not enough to fuck the album up. That's like saying Vol 4 is ruined by FX.

There are a lot of dumb songs on The Beatles alone, and quite a few on basically every one of their later albums too. Your comments about the song basically mean you're agreeing with what I said anyway, since it's clear that you don't have that opinion about all of their music. They're terribly inconsistent and filled every album out with mediocre songs that go nowhere.

Your comparison is shitty anyway since I never said that it ruins the album.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Not saying you did. But there are plenty of people who consider that track to be in the average to below average range. And like you said, the band members themselves weren't too fond of the track either(well at least when they first wrote it). But that all means jack shit to me.

I used to feel it wasn't very good and didn't get why it's so popular but I've grown to like it a lot more over time though I wouldn't say it's one of their best personally. It falls into that category of geniously simple.

 

[MrTagoMago]

There are a lot of dumb songs on The Beatles alone, and quite a few on basically every one of their later albums too. Your comments about the song basically mean you're agreeing with what I said anyway, since it's clear that you don't have that opinion about all of their music. They're terribly inconsistent and filled every album out with mediocre songs that go nowhere.

Also, you're shitty at arguing since I never said it ruins the album.

You're getting to pissed off but while I don't think Would Honey pie is master songwriting I personally wouldn't take it off the album. I enjoy it and it adds to the charm of the album for me. I think all the other songs on the album are good.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Good. That's your opinion. Based on what you're saying, you should be able to understand why other people don't agree with you in a way that doesn't involve invalid parallels with Black Sabbath albums.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Good. That's your opinion. Based on what you're saying, you should be able to understand why other people don't agree with you in a way that doesn't involve invalid parallels with Black Sabbath albums.

I just don't see why you got offensive. I just meant that a lot of their songs seem to get labled because they aren't to the taste of everyone like Revolution 9 is a great work of musique concrete however most people don't like musique concrete or even know its a thing so that track is often referred to as a 9 minute filler.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

She always gets offended and jumps on her high horse. It what she does.

 

[CiG]

You're pretty reactionary yourself.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I just don't see why you got offensive. I just meant that a lot of their songs seem to get labled because they aren't to the taste of everyone like Revolution 9 is a great work of musique concrete however most people don't like musique concrete or even know its a thing so that track is often referred to as a 9 minute filler.

That's one of the more interesting concepts that they pursued, but it's a fairly amateurish attempt at that type of thing. They halfheartedly explored a lot of ideas. That's another one of the issues that seems apparent throughout their discography.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

You're pretty reactionary yourself.

Yes, and so are you. But i dont own a high horse(and neither do you AFAIK). Big difference there pal.

 

[CiG]

Eh, that high horse thing doesn't really make any sense with me. Also I'm not really reactionary, I am a bit of a douchebag though.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

It wasnt meant for you. i had edited the post to make that clear. And you're not reactionary? you're one of the most reactionary people here, something that you even admitted to months back(do i have to go looking through old posts again?). And trust me, my memory is sharp as fuck. Whats starting to annoy me is that recently you keep going back on your words and statement's from the past, almost on a regular day basis. But yea whatever, dont feel like starting an argument with you.