Controversial opinions on metal

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Nah, i download a lot of shit that i've never heard, and if i like it i buy it.

That being said my room is filled with hundreds and hundreds of CD's and Vinyl. Sadly i got rid of most of my tapes years ago.

edit: but im glad to see that your opinion still hasn't changed.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Downloading music that you don't legally own is for entitled poseurs. Nothing will ever change my opinion about that.

I'm poor. I don't have the money to buy all the music I listen to. Especially with a lot of this really obscure stuff and demos that are impossible to obtain. Besides I do buy CDs when I can. I do prefer to own physical copies over mp3s but again I'm poor.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i buy all my music, otherwise these welfare cheques would just be sitting around!

 

[MrTagoMago]

This guy is an amazing and under known guitarist.

 

[Satanstoenail]

This guy is an amazing and under known guitarist.

Cool. Reminds me of Secret Chiefs 3.

 

[CiG]

People into Metal often wont listen to other types of music, it is to your credit dude.

Bullshit.

Fuck pop music

You don't like pop music? What the hell is wrong with you?

I am out of the loop and wouldnt know the categories they have these days to put that in. Bands are brave and genuine musicians i.m.o. when they put this sort of music out as it isnt neccessarily going to bring themselves huge success, because of the potential listeners available for it. It is in a sense going back to when bands like `Yes` started experimenting in the early 70`s. Pioneers. I admire always the pioneers. It reminds me of Hawkwind here and there in that song.

It's not really going back to Yes. Yes were progressive but still very palatable, if anything it's going back to the 70's experimental artists like Nurse With Wound.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Bullshit.

20 years ago before rusty water was cryogenically frozen this was more the case I think.

 

[rusty water]

20 years ago before rusty water was cryogenically frozen this was more the case I think.

Indeed I was cryogenically frozen and ever since the re-awakening I discovered I have lost my ego and suspect they may be covertly testing an `altruistic` chip in my mind. At the same time a Robot from the future appeared and threatened to kill everyone involved with the then Guns n Roses reunion. So I guess that folk in the future are pissed about them turning up late for gigs too!

 

[EternalMetal]

Downloading music that you don't legally own is for entitled poseurs. Nothing will ever change my opinion about that.

I can see this criticism for stuff that is available for a reasonable price, but do you feel the same about OOP obscure releases that go for hundreds of dollars on the used market? Or arent even available at all? These days this is the only stuff I download. Considering that bands dont see a dime from used purchases, I dont feel guilty at all for downloading expensive OOP material that only sells for exorbitant prices on the used market. Should rare black metal releases really only be heard by people trve enough to have purchased the demo tape limited to 100 copies? To be quite honest im glad that we can take advantage of the vastness of the internet to be able to be exposed to and listen to music that we never would have heard about otherwise. I agree that music shouldnt be stolen, but first and foremost music was created to be heard.

 

[CiG]

Artists mostly never see a dime from album sales anyway, unless we're talking mega popular bands, yet this is the often repeated logic or assumed logic behind legally attaining music.

It's a mistake to justify the practice in that way. What you're actually doing is supporting the labels that make it possible for these bands to record and release their music. Depending on the label, I think it's almost as important to support them as it is the bands.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I can see this criticism for stuff that is available for a reasonable price, but do you feel the same about OOP obscure releases that go for hundreds of dollars on the used market? Or arent even available at all? These days this is the only stuff I download. Considering that bands dont see a dime from used purchases, I dont feel guilty at all for downloading expensive OOP material that only sells for exorbitant prices on the used market. Should rare black metal releases really only be heard by people trve enough to have purchased the demo tape limited to 100 copies? To be quite honest im glad that we can take advantage of the vastness of the internet to be able to be exposed to and listen to music that we never would have heard about otherwise. I agree that music shouldnt be stolen, but first and foremost music was created to be heard.

It's stil not really a valid excuse since you aren't automatically entitled to hear every piece of music just because it's rare, but it's a better way of doing things than what the majority is doing.

And yes, a lot of bands will never see a profit from their music releases, but their record labels will not finance them to release new music if their other music didn't sell well enough because they won't be able to break even. This is an issue that a lot of smaller bands have actually encountered. Jeopardizing record labels and their relationships with bands isn't a good thing.

 

[Vilden]

I'm also kind of annoyed about people who think they are entitled to everything and if you can't/don't want to buy it they just download it. Maybe be content with what you have instead? You don't have to have heard every single band on metal-archives.

Still, I don't live 100% as I learn as I download too from time to time and can't really justify it so...

 

[Internally Deformed]

I don't really see why it's more ethical to spend (say) $40 a month on new music and not download anything than it is to spend $40 a month on new music and download stuff too. Either way the artists/labels get the same amount of financial support, the only difference is that in the second case you also get to listen to more good music.

 

[The Butt]

I download routinely. Still buy often, but I download just as much.

Zero fucks given.

 

[Vilden]

How much more are you entitled to download if you spend 40 dollars instead of 20 dollars?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I don't really see why it's more ethical to spend (say) $40 a month on new music and not download anything than it is to spend $40 a month on new music and download stuff too. Either way the artists/labels get the same amount of financial support, the only difference is that in the second case you also get to listen to more good music.

It's automatically more ethical to not steal something that doesn't belong to you. That's just reality.

 

[Internally Deformed]

How much more are you entitled to download if you spend 40 dollars instead of 20 dollars?

It's not a question of entitlement. I'm not saying it's anybody's moral right to be able to download music, I'm just saying that as long as you do support artists and labels, downloading doesn't harm anyone.

 

[Internally Deformed]

It's automatically more ethical to not steal something that doesn't belong to you. That's just reality.

The concept of theft doesn't really fully apply to downloading in my view, because you're not actually depriving anyone of something. If I stole $10 from your wallet, that sucks for you because you're now down $10. In the case of music, if I download your album all I'm depriving you of is the potential to sell to me - you don't actually lose anything unless I would have bought your album were downloading not a possibility. Therefore people only ought to feel guilty about downloading if they're not also buying albums.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Your incorrect view doesn't change the fact that you're behaving in an entitled manner and stealing something, nor does it change the fact that downloading albums harms independent record labels and artists. It's not really debatable.

People will continue to download music and make up excuses for why they do that instead of buying it, but they won't be able to change reality with their weak justifications for entitlement.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Your incorrect view doesn't change the fact that you're behaving in an entitled manner and stealing something, nor does it change the fact that downloading albums harms independent record labels and artists. It's not really debatable.

People will continue to download music and make up excuses for why they do that instead of buying it, but they won't be able to change reality with their weak justifications for entitlement.

I find it funny that most of the bands I've seen interviewed in recent years on this subject are way more open minded than you are about it. Extreme or experimental acts in particular tend to realise that a lot of listeners would never have even had the chance to broaden their horizons and explore their genre if it wasn't for the increased freedom downloading brings.