Controversial opinions on metal

[MrTagoMago]

I think we need to consider that a large part of why Iron Maiden might seem more consistent is that they were a lot more samey and less risky. Iron Maiden hasnt changed nearly as much as Judas Priest has and they have a furmula they tend follow to a lot more closely. Theyre simply to put it a lot more safe.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Also I do believe that while point of entry is a weaker album the songs from it actually sound a lot better live from what i remember heres an example.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

I think we need to consider that a large part of why Iron Maiden might seem more consistent is that they were a lot more samey and less risky. Iron Maiden hasnt changed nearly as much as Judas Priest has and they have a furmula they tend follow to a lot more closely. Theyre simply to put it a lot more safe.

That's relatively accurate. You could also argue that Priest was way more trendy--in the sense of trying to follow trends, for better and worse.

 

[MrTagoMago]

That's relatively accurate. You could also argue that Priest was way more trendy--in the sense of trying to follow trends, for better and worse.

Yeah id agree with that.

 

[Anom@nder Rake]

Deceased is the only metal band that got better with every album (not counting the covers album). Or well they're the only band that i prefer their albums in reverse chronological order

 

[Phylactery]

What about Averse Sefira? I think they got progressively better. Although I slightly favour their third over the fourth.

 

[Anom@nder Rake]

What about Averse Sefira? I think they got progressively better. Although I slightly favour their third of the fourth.

Tetragrammatical Astygmata is the only album i'm familiar with tbh. they opened a show for either Emperor or Immortal like 10 years ago but i got there late and missed them. that's my familiarity with the band

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Dream Evil contains some of Dio's worst songs

His best album. No song is worse than an 8/10.

Point of Entry is obviously not a good album, I'd rank it below Ram it Down.

It's a great album. I used to not like Troubleshooter but even that one is pretty good in my book now.

FoD is quite up and down, I'm with you there, but half of Turbo and RiD are unbearably bad. Sure songs like "Weekend Warrior" are pretty dumb, but at least their listenable. On the other hand, songs like "Parental Guidance" and "Love Zone" are so terrible that I don't plan to ever listen to them again.

From Here to Eternity is worse than anything on Turbo, but I do agree that Parental Guidance is the worst on Turbo (probably a ~4/10 song, vocal melodies are shit and it kinda plods but it isn't quite offensive).

 

[CiG]

Deceased is the only metal band that got better with every album (not counting the covers album). Or well they're the only band that i prefer their albums in reverse chronological order

So you're basically saying Surreal Overdose > Luck Of The Corpse?

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Point of Entry is classic Priest, and Turbo and Ram It Down are middle-of-the-road, good albums.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

From Here to Eternity is worse than anything on Turbo, but I do agree that Parental Guidance is the worst on Turbo (probably a ~4/10 song, vocal melodies are shit and it kinda plods but it isn't quite offensive).

Here to Eternity is pretty mediocre, as the blatant, shameless appeal to angst-ridden suburban teens that is "Parental Guidance."

 

[crimsonfloyd]

I know, it stupefies flaming autistics like yourself at first, but it'll all work out in the end, don't worry.

Yeah, obviously there's something wrong with me if I don't "get" a run-of-the-mill, early 80s AOR album. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[Baroque]

His best album. No song is worse than an 8/10.



It's a great album. I used to not like Troubleshooter but even that one is pretty good in my book now.



From Here to Eternity is worse than anything on Turbo, but I do agree that Parental Guidance is the worst on Turbo (probably a ~4/10 song, vocal melodies are shit and it kinda plods but it isn't quite offensive).

Sunset Superman is total garbage 2/10

Naked in the rain and when a woman cries are also annoying

Night people is below average for dio

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Parental Guidance was a middle finger to the PMRC, had nothing to do with edgy teens. Try again.

"Every day you scream at me to turn the music low
Well if you keep on screaming, you'll make me deaf you know
You always chew me out, because I stay out late
Until your three-piece suit comes back in date, get one thing straight"

Of course that was a dimension, but if you can't admit that the above lines we're aimed at getting rebellious teens to buy their record than you are in utter denial.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

You're the one tongue massaging your own prostate pal, so telling me to remove my head from ass is the last thing you need to be concerned with. You critiquing of Point of Entry as nothing but supbar AOR is hilarious, given you're the same troglodyte that champions shit like Deathspell Omega over Venom.

I'm a "troglodyte" for preferring the intellectual masterpiece that is later DSO to Venom? Try again. Or better yet, shut up.

 

[CiG]

Intellectual masterpiece? Hmm, care to post a link that would be their strongest example of that?

 

[Phylactery]

I'll take Inquisitors of Satan and SMRC (bloated as it definitely is) over something like Ram It Down which is just bad from what I remember.

The first 3 Venom are obviously more classic and influential than DSO, though.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Intellectual masterpiece? Hmm, care to post a link that would be their strongest example of that?

Get a copy of SMRC, Fas, or Paracletus and read the lyrics, look at the art, and listen to the music. The three works make up a trilogy. It is a very intelligent and thoroughly developed conflation of Christian doctrine and theology with spiritual Satanism (which I ultimately read as a doctrine that implies that the essence of Christian theology is nihilism), which creates a metaphysical dystopia. There's no Cliff Notes link I can send you to, but you're likely to find it worth it if you give the albums the time they deserve.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

I'll take Inquisitors of Satan and SMRC (bloated as it definitely is) over something like Ram It Down which is just bad from what I remember.

The first 3 Venom are obviously more classic and influential than DSO, though.

Sure, but those are just historical facts. The DSO albums are infinitely superior works of art.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i prefer peak DSO to venom tbh, but people like crimsonfloyd make me feel bad about that