Gorguts, since Obscura is like the most technical, dissonant and challenging album ever.
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Gorguts, since Obscura is like the most technical, dissonant and challenging album ever.
Master_Yoda77
Juggalo
ShredHeadJHJ
oh noes itz a opinionn
By "musicianship" I was referring to technicality of the playing. Of course just because someone practices 15 hours a day & is very technical doesn't mean they're going to write good songs. When judging metal guitarists the best ones have a good balance of songwriting skills & technicality. In other words you cna call certain guys great songwriters but it doesn't make them great guitarists. It's a guitar player thing.
ShredHeadJHJ
oh noes itz a opinionn
One band?? I started to learn some stuff off that album awhile back & it was honestly not very hard to play. I'm not saying I was playing the most challenging stuff on the album, but the stuff I was playing did not trip me up & I'm not an amazing guitarist. Necrophagist stuff or Marty Friedman solos gives me a much harder time, for example.
So was I, which is why I questioned your choices since there are musicians who are much more technically proficient.
I'm sorry, but Obscura is a much more technical album than anything from either of those musicians. I named one because I don't feel pressured to prove myself to you, since you clearly care more about this argument than I do.
Vegard Pompey
ALLY TO GOOD, NIGHTMARE TO YOU
I find plenty of variety in his work. Maybe that's just me...
I don't regard musicianship as the most important part of music, or even very important at all. Yes, a Dream Theater fanboy actually said that
Technical ability does not make a musician or make a musician good. I for the most part find technical music really boring.
Belligerent
Greekus Urungus
@ Gorguts guitarists being that skilled. There are loads of virtuoso guitarists that would run circles around them.
ShredHeadJHJ
oh noes itz a opinionn
I got a guitar pro tab of it online. It's really not that nuts or anything & IMO it's definitely not one of the better songs on the album.
Besides, Gorguts are not part of the equation. I was comparing those bands to the technical capacity of Opeth. Opeth play in 4/4 like crazy. Mikeal is not a crazy player by any means. He may make long technical songs, but there's a difference between that what I was referring to.
Savern
Dr. Death in training
Mike has a gorgeous solo style though in my opinion, Peter's was pretty unique too. They're not "the" most technically proficient guitarists but they're by no means bad players.
Cynic stuff is fucking hard to play for me, Masvidal's solos are awesome, though I'm not much of a sweeper.
Edit: Saw you mention earlier about Opeth's musicianship. Lopez and Axe are both on par with Portnoy for me, I love DT too.
MasterOLightning
Optimator
Uh, not really, no. The first two albums are almost entirely in 12/8, and huge chunks of the others are as well. I can think of riffs in 5/8, 7/8 and 3/4 off the top of my head as well.
And you're just wrong about Gorguts.
whiskey funeral
Mother North
Most of that guitar virtuoso shredding bores the hell out of me. At least Gorguts do a good job making technical music interesting.
whiskey funeral
Mother North
supseudonymous
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You've just provided an accurate response to roughly half the posts in this thread.
whiskey funeral
Mother North
Nah. I do not find black metal appealing for the most part and only like a few specific albums so maybe this has something to do with it.
tbh shredding really fast isn't the best demonstration of skill, since it's purely a finger exercise; the right hand is just picking really fast and steadily, which is really really easy. Complex riffs in odd times with weird rhythms are way harder than mindless sweeping. That said I haven't actually heard Obscura. I heard one song off it, though, and I rather suspect you're flat out wrong. They may not be the best, but they clearly know their way around the fretboard.
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