Cool Nordström Interview
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Nuno Filipe
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The midi file for drums I can understand but why not the DI? You can always mic all the amps in all positions that you want and have the DI, because the DI works as an insurance. Record a DI doesn´t mean that who use them are less capable of doing the same work.
C_F_H_13
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I think Ermz was getting to the point of rather than tracking actual amps as a basis for the tone, they are leaving what could be construed as a "tracking decision" up to the mixer to "fix" or take care of.
Personally I think it's a grey area, because what tone works best in the mix would fall, presumably, during the, uh, mixing. The only time IMO this would really come into play as a possible hassle is when the mixing engineer is not the tracking engineer and the mix eng. has to do additional time consuming work.
I agree, it just gives more sound options. Nothing wrong with that. The issue is with fixing the performance no?
Im just not understanding half of the reasoning behind some of the comments.
I see no difference in the fact that PODs have replaced cheap 1x8 amps that used to be 80$ in 93. Its a different time in regards to how much computers have changed all of our lives, and 90% of all industry. I see noone bitching about the fact that other stuff like movie editing has gone the same exact route (DIY home movie makers can now go buy an HD video camera for 200$) But the fact still remains with every single bit of it....
If you write an awesome song, noone will give a fuck if you used a pod or a 5150.
If you produce an awesome film, noone will give a fuck what you used to make it.
Once everyone accepts that the analog generation is over, we can all move on. I mean even my dad, he owned a music store, played in a band, and was an Engineer from the early 80's all the way through the late 90's, even he doesn't bitch about the fact that after 6 months of starting to record music, I had higher quality recordings than he had ever done. But you know what the difference is? His songs were 1,000 times better (fucking shreddy mcfuntits) and I would much rather listen to his recordings on a Tascam 8Track than my punchy slate sampled recording with the same boring chugg pattern.
None of you should feel shameful for using the tools we now use to produce music. I just hope interviews like this will motivate the people who copy paste takes and don't want to master their instrument to think again before you think you will become a memorable figure in music.
I see no difference in the fact that PODs have replaced cheap 1x8 amps that used to be 80$ in 93. Its a different time in regards to how much computers have changed all of our lives, and 90% of all industry. I see noone bitching about the fact that other stuff like movie editing has gone the same exact route (DIY home movie makers can now go buy an HD video camera for 200$) But the fact still remains with every single bit of it....
If you write an awesome song, noone will give a fuck if you used a pod or a 5150.
If you produce an awesome film, noone will give a fuck what you used to make it.
Once everyone accepts that the analog generation is over, we can all move on. I mean even my dad, he owned a music store, played in a band, and was an Engineer from the early 80's all the way through the late 90's, even he doesn't bitch about the fact that after 6 months of starting to record music, I had higher quality recordings than he had ever done. But you know what the difference is? His songs were 1,000 times better (fucking shreddy mcfuntits) and I would much rather listen to his recordings on a Tascam 8Track than my punchy slate sampled recording with the same boring chugg pattern.
None of you should feel shameful for using the tools we now use to produce music. I just hope interviews like this will motivate the people who copy paste takes and don't want to master their instrument to think again before you think you will become a memorable figure in music.
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I think a lot of people misunderstood my post. I am not that guy with the crappy room/drum/amp. I occasionally deal with bands that have went that route. They record in such or similar condition, then they hear that it sounds like crap so they finally realize they should have contacted someone who knows what he's doing and who wants to make it sound right. They ask me to do it and I agree because once they've worked with me they know it's worth it and when they are ready for a new demo it's almost always me doing the recording instead of fixing others' mistakes.
As for the don't call yourself an engineer thing, let's not forget that besides tracking engineer there is a term mixing engineer, you can be both, you can be just one. Not to mention that even if generally you're both you can't be a tracking engineer if you're mixing songs that are tracked elsewhere and vice versa.
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Yes you're right Shadow. I know you have your equipment.
The point is that if someone tracks and writes/uses dfhs drum parts instead of record real things he doesn't pretend to be a mixing engineer but also a tracking eng. with no equipment.
The point is that if someone tracks and writes/uses dfhs drum parts instead of record real things he doesn't pretend to be a mixing engineer but also a tracking eng. with no equipment.
good songs and good live performances are what's gonna matter at the end of the day...how you get there doesnt really matter...
If a band uses all the modern digital tricks and tools but doesnt have the tune or cannot cut it live...they'll be weeded out quickly..
plus all the auto tuned , grid edited , music will eventually create a backlash among young musicians that want to "keep it real"
If a band uses all the modern digital tricks and tools but doesnt have the tune or cannot cut it live...they'll be weeded out quickly..
plus all the auto tuned , grid edited , music will eventually create a backlash among young musicians that want to "keep it real"
My post was definitely not referring to you!
I directed it toward the guys that have fuck all clue, ask questions like "how to mic a cab) but have got a myspace page that suggests they're producers/engineers and running a studio.
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My bad! Guess I'm the one who misunderstood things a bit.
In a perfect world, maybe. And in that world people that can't sing or play won't do it in public, but it's just in most people's nature to want to give it a go for a variety of reasons, and there's no law to stop them from doing it. It's certainly not professional but, unfortunately, at least around here it is impossible to earn your money from heavy music, so the only times you get a band with a professional attitude is when the people in that band just have that mindset...even though they all have a day job.
slashvanyoung
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@ at all this oh blah pod + impulse+ drum machine insults
what happend to the whole it doesn't matter what you use its the end product, and what your clients like.
also, maelstrom sounds like a fucking douche bag.
great read though
I absolutely agree.
It's kinda funny, when Trivium announced that they would take the "all natural" approach for their latest album they got ripped to pieces here. Especially after it had been dead obvious that there was a lot of sample replacement etc. going on.
So yeah, what happened to "it's the final product that matters"?
Established engineers are pissed because "bedroom warriors" have left demo-level and start to fish in their waters, even though they have spent way less time, money and effort dedicated to this craft. Established engineers then often proceed to complain about the lacklustre quality of these products.
You still get what you pay for. But these times you just get a certain quality for way less money.
Established engineers wouldn't even need to complain if "bedroom warriors" wouldn't be able to put out competitive products with much less means.
So who is in the position to say who can call himself an audio/mixing engineer and who not? It's not a protected term, anyone and his mother can call himself that.
The way I see it: People are just bitter. They've put all the money and dedication into their art to get where they are. Now just to find out that "bedroom warriors" are destroying the market with their rates?
In the end, all the whining won't make amp-sims, drum libraries etc. disappear. It's the opposite, it will get easier and easier, cheaper and cheaper to make a quality record.
It's just the reality, either you reach a level on which you can survive or you don't. Every "bedroom warrior" will get to the same point if he wants to make the next step forward.
That's life, swim or drown - glorifying the old times won't help you.
If somebody doesn't want to invest more money to get his stuff recorded and mixed by professionals, in a professional environment with professional equipment, then they obviously don't think it is worth the extra money or they just don't have a clue. Either way, people can do whatever the fuck they want.
Ermz
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Because the DI is being provided in place of an amped tracked, rather than as a last-resort contingency. People aren't committing to tracking sounds.
ParsonsMatt
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Hopefully this "revolution" will even out the production playing field so that the songwriting becomes the focus again.
P-E
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+1. And +1 to Matt too, as songwriting and originality should be the focus point, not the production, as it's supposed to showcase these two elements.
Morgan C
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The current trend of perfect, quantized, sample-replaced, tuned songs makes it SO much easier for a bedroom guy to sound 'pro'. Its harder to make drum MIDIs sound not perfect than it is to make them sound mechanical, which is currently desired. I think once the trend moves away from this 'perfect' sound, bedroom studios may have a harder time. Drum software would be 'too perfect' without humanisation, and in any case drum software can really only emulate a real player who's been sample replaced, imo. To emulate a 100% raw drummer is something that is still a while off I think.
Doing a really bad job explaining myself.. but basically with all the digital editing thats going on, that's something that the bedroom guys can do to, and its probably the biggest part of producing a song at the moment. Once the focus moves away from digital editing and onto stuff that the bedroom guys can't do, like using awesome players, awesome amps, awesome rooms, awesome everything, then there may be a shift back to the guys in proper studios.
The way I see it.. either stop complaining about how bad drum MIDIs, software amps, etc. are and start showing how much BETTER live amps are, huge drum rooms with awesome room mics and awesome players. If the consumer can't notice a difference (which albeit is harder atm as I mentioned above), then either there's not a problem, or the problem is you.
Doing a really bad job explaining myself.. but basically with all the digital editing thats going on, that's something that the bedroom guys can do to, and its probably the biggest part of producing a song at the moment. Once the focus moves away from digital editing and onto stuff that the bedroom guys can't do, like using awesome players, awesome amps, awesome rooms, awesome everything, then there may be a shift back to the guys in proper studios.
The way I see it.. either stop complaining about how bad drum MIDIs, software amps, etc. are and start showing how much BETTER live amps are, huge drum rooms with awesome room mics and awesome players. If the consumer can't notice a difference (which albeit is harder atm as I mentioned above), then either there's not a problem, or the problem is you.
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