culture and traditions

Cerulean said:
Quick for life. Fuck you McDo :mad:
The Giant is like 100 times better than the Big Mac eh... By the way, I guess Belgium, France and Luxembourg are the only countries where they have (this non-American) Quick.

Yeah Quick is Belgian I believe and you can only find them in the countries you quoted. Giant and especially Quick N Toast ripwizent leur race !!
 
yv said:
See? Knowledge means madness.
And if anbody thinks he/she knows much then he/she knows shit. Ignorance is the best way to prove that.

I agree sort of, like socrates said 'the only thing I know is that I know nothing'. But then again, just because we cant know everything, or know the truth about our existance blah blah, does that mean we should just be like 'everything I know doesnt matter' and plunge ourselves into eternal depression and frustration?..I think we should make the best of what we do know and try to find our truth, I feel that your making it as if there is only black or white in terms of knowledge and that we're all ignorant and hopeless. I think we can all find comfort and understanding, eventhough its not total, but if its good enough for someone then its valuable.
 
I know loads of stuff, should I pretend I dont just cos some old sweaty Greek said he didnt ages ago? If Socrates claims to have known nothing then he was obviously fishing for compliments.

Socrates:- 'the only thing I know is that I know nothing'

Socrates mate:- "Ah, come on Soctrates, you're dead clever and that"

Socrates:- 'no, I know nothing'

Socrates mate:- "ah, dont be so down on yourself mate"

:lol:
 
oe said:
And if your intention wasnt too attack muslims, but rather the taliban's, I apologize for misunderstanding your post.
It wasn't attack against muslims. My post wasn't very smart one but I get pisssed when people make these hypocritical statements over so called American culture imperialism.

Mr. Corleone (terrible choice of name btw-not funny in any way) just posted that my comment was the most stupid thing that he's heard for ages. Yet he's writing on this western forum about related or non-related stuff about british band. He could just listen to some turkish folk songs if he is that scared of outside influence ffs. If there were islamistic fundamentalists on power in Turkey would he really think that he would even have an access to these marvellous things? I wouldn't and that's why I made my original statement.

I still take this McAmerica any day over Taleban. And in some ways you can say the Taleban is a culture. And even when they're gone these people are seriously fucked. That's what you get when you want to live in dark middle age kind of world. Some cultures (or parts of 'em) are simply fuckin crap and I hope that cultural evolution would some day make them extinct.

Oh and I was terrible anti-USA person before. But how I really can be? They saved the Europe at the latter parts of World War II. Quite recently it was thank to them that we get rid of Mr. Milosevic who could have finished his ethnical cleansings in former Yugoslavia. Meanwhile these so called intelligent people in Europe only smart arsed with their fancy glasses of wine 'bout horrors of war and lost of humanism. Now which was the better way? FFS. :yell:
 
Strangelight said:
I know loads of stuff, should I pretend I dont just cos some old sweaty Greek said he didnt ages ago? If Socrates claims to have known nothing then he was obviously fishing for compliments.

Socrates:- 'the only thing I know is that I know nothing'

Socrates mate:- "Ah, come on Soctrates, you're dead clever and that"

Socrates:- 'no, I know nothing'

Socrates mate:- "ah, dont be so down on yourself mate"

:lol:

loooooooooooooooooooooool

:lol:
 
Har* said:
Have a nice suicide bombing then. Goes with culture I think. If nobody ever opposes these things the nazis would rule all over or maybe it would be fuckin commies. It's just part of their culture to fuckin kill anyone who opposes.

Ok. I just meant that not everything is acceptable because of culture. You really think Taleban was a good thing? I just don't get people who bash America and then in front of these terrible terrorist acts keep their mouth shut. Or even worse dance on American graves. It's not black and white. Yet fuckin Taleban is nothing but black. Nothing good whatsoever. And it's much more force-fed than any American shit.

before saying anything at all, let me point out that what i pertain to in this post has nothing to do with me being a muslim. if you know a little bit of history, you'll know that islam in turkey is being practiced in the most different way than any other country where there are muslims...furthermore, arabs and turks?..more like cats and dogs (thats how close and well-going we are even though westeners tend to think we are the same).


what made your post so stupid was your ignorance on a variety of topics, but you are not the one to be blamed for that really.

an example in your line of thinking:
the greatest killing ever was done by pol pot in khmer rouge, so do you think we should believe cambodia has a culture of killing people? america did another great killing (and i believe it's even worse than pol pot as it affects many generations) by dropping the atom bomb in japan, so should we say -and i quote your post- "It's just part of their culture to fuckin kill anyone who opposes"?

you are mixing up your terms, har: terms like "policy","culture", "religion", "individual" and "community."

i hate taleban, saddam, anyone who uses force...i believe violence solves nothing...but if there's another thing i hate, it's generalisation and prejudice.
 
oe said:
First of all Har, being a Taliban doesnt constitute a culture. Dont mix Islam and the Talibans. The taliban's were a minority in afghanistan, just like the suicide bombers led by islamic fundementalist groups are minority's in the large muslim world that constitutes over a billion people. Dont condemn a whole race of people because of the few (proportionally speaking) ones that choose terror to get their point across. I, for instance, wouldnt say that the people of the United States are sadistic, stone-hearted bastards for the horrors they caused to innocent vietnamese people(among others during their history that is stained in blood). I basically think that you should be more opened minded and informed before making these assumptions on the Muslim culture. And if your intention wasnt too attack muslims, but rather the taliban's, I apologize for misunderstanding your post.

my thoughts, exactly. thank you.
 
Har* said:
It wasn't attack against muslims. My post wasn't very smart one but I get pisssed when people make these hypocritical statements over so called American culture imperialism.

Mr. Corleone (terrible choice of name btw-not funny in any way) just posted that my comment was the most stupid thing that he's heard for ages. Yet he's writing on this western forum about related or non-related stuff about british band. He could just listen to some turkish folk songs if he is that scared of outside influence ffs. If there were islamistic fundamentalists on power in Turkey would he really think that he would even have an access to these marvellous things? I wouldn't and that's why I made my original statement.

I still take this McAmerica any day over Taleban. And in some ways you can say the Taleban is a culture. And even when they're gone these people are seriously fucked. That's what you get when you want to live in dark middle age kind of world. Some cultures (or parts of 'em) are simply fuckin crap and I hope that cultural evolution would some day make them extinct.

Oh and I was terrible anti-USA person before. But how I really can be? They saved the Europe at the latter parts of World War II. Quite recently it was thank to them that we get rid of Mr. Milosevic who could have finished his ethnical cleansings in former Yugoslavia. Meanwhile these so called intelligent people in Europe only smart arsed with their fancy glasses of wine 'bout horrors of war and lost of humanism. Now which was the better way? FFS. :yell:

i never thought for a second you were attacking muslims or islam or anything. i understand what you are saying, but i believe you've got your facts and definitions wrong...and, well, the choice you make, for me, is very wrong.

your post was NOT the most stupid thing i had heard FOR AGES, but LATELY.

sorry, but i cant understand how my posting on a music forum is related to what we are talking about. when i say im against american imperialism, it only means i stick to my cultural beliefs, traditions when it comes to the point where i see all copy cat "eminem"s on the streets...or "britney spears"s...i believe in individuality and personality. i think every country should practice their own cultures...because it's the beauty of it, isnt it? cultural variety? what is the point of leaving in a world where there is a mcdonalds on every corner?

and im not anti-USA, not at all. but i believe i have the right, and the free-thinking mind to NOT agree with all of their world policies.

if you are still saying -like you did in your third paragraph on this post that "taleban is a culture in some ways" then i have nothing to tell you. you are beyond me and my understanding. but then i guess you believe that every terrorrist leader is a "culture in some ways", right?
 
Don Corleone said:
before saying anything at all, let me point out that what i pertain to in this post has nothing to do with me being a muslim. if you know a little bit of history, you'll know that islam in turkey is being practiced in the most different way than any other country where there are muslims...furthermore, arabs and turks?..more like cats and dogs (thats how close and well-going we are even though westeners tend to think we are the same).


what made your post so stupid was your ignorance on a variety of topics, but you are not the one to be blamed for that really.

an example in your line of thinking:
the greatest killing ever was done by pol pot in khmer rouge, so do you think we should believe cambodia has a culture of killing people? america did another great killing (and i believe it's even worse than pol pot as it affects many generations) by dropping the atom bomb in japan, so should we say -and i quote your post- "It's just part of their culture to fuckin kill anyone who opposes"?

you are mixing up your terms, har: terms like "policy","culture", "religion", "individual" and "community."

i hate taleban, saddam, anyone who uses force...i believe violence solves nothing...but if there's another thing i hate, it's generalisation and prejudice.
You had a good points there I agree. But I think that those two atom bombs dropped in Japan were actually a good thing. It ended the war and saved many lives. Oh and it was Japan who attacked USA first.

After the war Japan became a democracy and they have an good economy. In other scenario they would've succceed, taken control in Asia and some bloody dictator emperor would make people lives miserable. Same goes with Germany and Italy. Without force and aid of Usa the situation could've been much worse.

And I still think that it's fair to describe Taleban as culture. Even when wiped out the people n Afghanistan have those caveman habits. Not everyone I know but still.

And casualties by USA is so much less than what commies have done for example. Of course I know that USA has it's geo-political reasons when in war but in 90% of cases the opposition is such a low-life filth that I don't mind. And when saying filth I mean the leaders. But soon it's up to people in Iraq and Afghanistan to decide what they want to do when USA leave 'em. I think they fuck it up completely.
 
Don Corleone said:
sorry, but i cant understand how my posting on a music forum is related to what we are talking about. when i say im against american imperialism, it only means i stick to my cultural beliefs, traditions when it comes to the point where i see all copy cat "eminem"s on the streets...or "britney spears"s...i believe in individuality and personality. i think every country should practice their own cultures...because it's the beauty of it, isnt it? cultural variety? what is the point of leaving in a world where there is a mcdonalds on every corner?
And I don't get this. How in earth the good old USA can force anyone to buy Ms. Spears records? Or buy hamburgers. It's free choice.
 
Har* said:
And I don't get this. How in earth the good old USA can force anyone to buy Ms. Spears records? Or buy hamburgers. It's free choice.

education.
free choice, if we talk about _good_ choices and real ones, they need working human brain. and information. way of thinking and that. intelligence.

i presume the us education and lots of western ones are shit. they spread lies on tv too. but its not so good in europe either. they started to ban words like "light ciggies" and "fat-free" cos they werent real. "Ligths" are not light cos theyare harmful and fat-free usually contains still much fat.. and then ppl start to think that they have now the truth finally. But the problem is that they are not any fucking educated on a matter, e.g. if ppl would exactly learn _everything_ about smoking and effects and that, then no restriction would be needed on words, they could write on a box "healthy good-smelling forest-fresh marlboro" and still let a free and good choice to people who know the truth.

If you want to control people, you can use force or weapons or fear, but if you can make them as stupid as my ass, then its more easy. They'll even praise you.
 
Har* said:
You had a good points there I agree. But I think that those two atom bombs dropped in Japan were actually a good thing. It ended the war and saved many lives. Oh and it was Japan who attacked USA first.

After the war Japan became a democracy and they have an good economy. In other scenario they would've succceed, taken control in Asia and some bloody dictator emperor would make people lives miserable. Same goes with Germany and Italy. Without force and aid of Usa the situation could've been much worse.

And I still think that it's fair to describe Taleban as culture. Even when wiped out the people n Afghanistan have those caveman habits. Not everyone I know but still.

And casualties by USA is so much less than what commies have done for example. Of course I know that USA has it's geo-political reasons when in war but in 90% of cases the opposition is such a low-life filth that I don't mind. And when saying filth I mean the leaders. But soon it's up to people in Iraq and Afghanistan to decide what they want to do when USA leave 'em. I think they fuck it up completely.

THE ATOM BOMB SAVED MANY LIVES?

i was in no way defending japan, but the atom bomb? please give me a break. you are the first person i've ever met who compsed a sentence like "I think that those two atom bombs dropped in Japan were actually a good thing." do i need to point out the obvious irony in that?

hahahaha this is why i was saying your problem is lack of knowledge: afghans still live in caves, but what do you think they should do? move to three-storey apartments...when there are none in their country?

oh dont even start me on russia and the communist rule...one of the biggest jokes of the 19th and 20th century...a complete disaster. im not a communist by the way.

"But soon it's up to people in Iraq and Afghanistan to decide what they want to do when USA leave 'em. I think they fuck it up completely": the USA will NEVER leave those two states, har. neither did they ever leave yugoslavia. why should they? in afghanistan they appointed their own leaders, and thats the way it goes. "imperialism" under the protection of the softer term "capitalism" is the new word for "colonism." who told the USA to play the police role in the world? why do they go thousands of miles to "help" a nation? why would anyone do that if they didnt have their own benefits in this? is it because the USA government is kind-hearted, loving, helping organisation?

im pretty sure, though, whateyver i tell in my posts is all in vain. because, like i said, you believe "it's fair to describe Taleban as culture" so you are beyond me and my understanding.
 
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