Death Metal

[Life Sucks]

I don't own anything that's not metal, except for some hardcore CDs from my harcore phase, and a couple industrial and punk CDs. I don't even own any classic rock, and I plan to keep it that way. I am one narrow minded bastard, and I'm not ashamed of it.

 

[Vitor]

Wow, really, things that are high quality are good? Dude, I think you're on to something.

:Smug:

don't be sarcastic dude.

I've just wanted to say that many people hear any band that is included on some genre, and not cuz this band has or not some quality.

When people says ''I like brutal death'', it looks like that they just wanna hear some brutal death band.

it looks like obviously, but to me, the band can be brutal death or classic death, but the quality is more important than the genre.

 

[Mort Divine]

laughing at something that you haven't even heard?

There is no way that a band whose three other albums were pretty much crap is going to have a gem of an album that is good enough to be a "masterpiece" when that band is playing gimmicky DM.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

There is no way that a band whose three other albums were pretty much crap is going to have a gem of an album that is good enough to be a "masterpiece" when that band is playing gimmicky DM.

how the fuck are you going to comment on something that you have not even heard? are you retarded? their other 3 albums are alright, though nowhere near as good as "in their darkened shrines"

and I don't understand some of you fags. You go on and on about wanting atmosphere in death metal, nile achieves that ancient atmosphere very well (on nearly every song on ITS), yet you call it a "gimmick", which is utter bullshit.

 

[Alter]

I own vinyl LPs by Led Zeppelin and Van Halen, and Fleetwood Mac's greatest hits. I have some Rush CDs lying around as well. why does it matter?

Good fleetwood stuff.

 

[Mort Divine]

Based on the context of the work that Nile has done prior to and past ITDS, combined with the usage of their whole middle eastern/egyptian gimmicky bullshit, AND the fact that did hear both Sarcophagus and Unas Slayer of Gods from the album and found myself completely underwhelmed - it can in no way be a masterpiece.

Yeah, ya see - the atmosphere Nile has "crafted" on the work I've heard of theirs is absolutely fake. It comes off as so cheesy and insincere.

Go play The Red in the Sky is Ours, Psychostasia, ...In Pains, Changes, Blod Draum, etc and you will hear how the DM atmosphere should be done, whilst retaining originality. If Nile could pull off their style in the same qualitative way that those mentioned albums could I wouldn't have a problem with them, but ... they've shown that they've not been capable of it, arn't capable of it, and never will be.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Yeah, ya see - the atmosphere Nile has "crafted" on the work I've heard of theirs is absolutely fake. It comes off as so cheesy and insincere.

Go play The Red in the Sky is Ours, Psychostasia, ...In Pains, Changes, Blod Draum, etc and you will hear how the DM atmosphere should be done, whilst retaining originality. If Nile could pull off their style in the same qualitative way that those mentioned albums could I wouldn't have a problem with them, but ... they've shown that they've not been capable of it, arn't capable of it, and never will be.

god that is such bullshit. There is nothing remotely fake or insencere about the atmosphere in "ITS", the atmospheric parts (the chants, the keyboards, and what not) are executed tastefully while many of the the slow-mid pace songs are able to achieve atmosphere just through the normal instrumentation (guitars/drums/bass). Nile's songwriting is flawless, whether it is 250+ BPM songs that destroy everything in its path, or the slow and crushing songs like "sarcophagus", or the 11 minute epics like "unas slayer of the gods". Your comment on originality is fucking asinine considering the only bands that sound anything like nile would be lykathea aflame and behemoth.

their middle eastern theme would be gimmicky if it added nothing to the music (like cannibal corpse). It's not gimmicky because it adds alot to the songwriting.

 

[Mort Divine]

However, it DOESN'T add anything to their music - it is just tacked on, and if Nile didn't have the Middle Eastern scales they would just be another DM band.

However, take Lykathea Aflame and remove their Middle Eastern scales, and you've still got an original sounding band, due to their uplifting melodies and the "spiritual" focus of the album. Sure you could say that they've got a gimmick, but you can't easily take those elements out of LA, whereas you can just wipe the surface of Nile away with a wet cloth and they're gone without changing anything too much.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

it is just tacked on

actually it's not. The middle eastern parts are often integrated into the songwriting in a fairly subtle manner in many of the songs. Like the song "lashed to the slave stick", the distant screams that go on in the background complement the song beautifully (it's a song about a form of torture and you can just imagine the screams of those who were being tortured). Annihilation of the wicked is not nearly as egyptian sounding as ITDS, Annihilation is mostly good tech death with the occasional egyptian parts. You have to hear ITS because nearly every song in ITS has the egyptian influence and it is executed flawlessly

in Annihilation, the egyptian influence is mostly the epic songs, a few keyboard parts here and there, and some intros. Those parts are just used to complement the core product, which is very brutal/technical groovy death metal. In ITDS, the egyptian influence is in nearly every song with the exception of 2 or 3 which are just very catchy and very brutal DM songs.

if Nile didn't have the Middle Eastern scales they would just be another DM band.

nah, they would be a very very heavy tech death band with good variety in their songwriting.

However, take Lykathea Aflame and remove their Middle Eastern scales, and you've still got an original sounding band, due to their uplifting melodies and the "spiritual" focus of the album.

I love lykathea aflame so I am not really going to disagree with your comments on them.

 

[Mort Divine]

You'd think I'd have learned by now to not argue with fanboys, heh.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

You'd think I'd have learned by now to not argue with fanboys, heh.

I suppose that means I won the argument

seriously though, give ITDS a chance, the songwriting is alot different than their other albums (the production is also a lot better).

I'd rate nile's albums

1st - 6/10
Black seeds - 7.5/10
ITDS - 9.8/10
AOTW - 8/10

 

[Mort Divine]

It isn't that you won, it is just that I don't want to argue anymore since neither of us will give up.

I guess I'll give it a full shot, but I really doubt I'll like it much.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

try this song and then tell me the egyptian influence is fake or "tacked on"

http://www.zshare.net/audio/2115746cd9856d/

 

[CF87]

I don't understand what the big deal is with Kataklysm.

 

[Gizzal]

I suppose that means I won the argument

seriously though, give ITDS a chance, the songwriting is alot different than their other albums (the production is also a lot better).

I'd rate nile's albums

1st - 6/10
Black seeds - 7.5/10
ITDS - 9.8/10
AOTW - 8/10

By 1st are you talking about Amongst the Catacombs or In the Beginning?

I always found Black Seeds to be their weakest album, it just sounded to standard DM-ish for me. Not to say it was bad, just their weakest effort IMO.

 

[Mort Divine]

try this song and then tell me the egyptian influence is fake or "tacked on"

http://www.zshare.net/audio/2115746cd9856d/

Well what the hell - that was a fuckin' ambient/Middle Eastern folk-ish track, had nothing to do with their death metal. It was better than most of their DM songs I've heard though .

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Well what the hell - that was a fuckin' ambient/Middle Eastern folk-ish track, had nothing to do with their death metal. It was better than most of their DM songs I've heard though .

that's one of the songs on ITDS

here's another great one http://www.zshare.net/audio/211594424efff0/

 

[Life Sucks]

Nile are good. They are easily one of the best modern dm bands.

 

[CF87]

Evocation is the best current death metal band.

influences:
Asia Carrera
Tabatha Cash
Annette Haven
Jenna Jameson
Brigitte Lahaie
Hyapatia Lee
Lisa De Leeuw
Traci Lords
Amber Lynn
Josefine Mutzenbacher
Kay Parker
Savannah
Seka
Zara Whites
Honey Wilder

check out tales from the tomb

 

[skeptik]

Go play The Red in the Sky is Ours, Psychostasia, ...In Pains, Changes, Blod Draum, etc and you will hear how the DM atmosphere should be done, whilst retaining originality. If Nile could pull off their style in the same qualitative way that those mentioned albums could I wouldn't have a problem with them, but ... they've shown that they've not been capable of it, arn't capable of it, and never will be.

Comparing a pseudo-brutal modern death metal band to the originators and unique leaders of the european strain of death metal in the early 90s is just retarded. I'm amazed that you can listen to metalcore and various other things that lack any substance and then just dismiss Nile wholesale. Nile is actually a decent band, though it's not my preferred style, and they get very few plays. Sometimes the Egyptian melodies are gratuitous, but generally they do a decent job with integrating it into the songs themselves and into the greater album as a whole.

Look, you've got me defending Nile now. What the fuck...