Death Sentences etc.
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Enemy242
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1.if you just punish them for the crime but not try to stop why they did it, then the damage is already done and someone elses stuff has been stolen and like i said, not all criminals get caught. your way technically makes more sense but since its my opinion, its my belief that instead of punishing the criminal for the crime, you should make it so they won't commit the crime in the first place.
2.i'm also for the legalization of a lot of drugs, i believe like i've said before, that weed should be legal and hallucinogens should be legal with a license or some education of some sort. also i think you underestimate how easy it is for people to fuck up with most drugs and have problems, the general public is really stupid, but the experienced drug users know what they're doing and they're usually the people who get it. if it was open to every one a lot of retards would misuse it, not just a few.
3.if they were legal a lot of kids and normal people who wouldn't have easy access to drugs would then be able to get them, and would misuse them or become addicted which would lead to crime, also that comment was directed at the fact that the person wanted ALL drugs legalized. if only the softer drugs were legalized and regulated a bit i wouldn't think it would affect society much at all.
4. no most people are actually pretty fucking stupid. i don't give them any credit at all, you can believe your way but i believe the opposite.
5. it is the kids fault yes, but the acid being completely legal and easy to get helped him fuck up. like i've said before, when i made those posts i was refuting the fact that all drugs shouldn't be legal and have no restrictions. if some were legal and had restrictions it would be ok.
1.if you just punish them for the crime but not try to stop why they did it, then the damage is already done and someone elses stuff has been stolen and like i said, not all criminals get caught. your way technically makes more sense but since its my opinion, its my belief that instead of punishing the criminal for the crime, you should make it so they won't commit the crime in the first place.
2.i'm also for the legalization of a lot of drugs, i believe like i've said before, that weed should be legal and hallucinogens should be legal with a license or some education of some sort. also i think you underestimate how easy it is for people to fuck up with most drugs and have problems, the general public is really stupid, but the experienced drug users know what they're doing and they're usually the people who get it. if it was open to every one a lot of retards would misuse it, not just a few.
3.if they were legal a lot of kids and normal people who wouldn't have easy access to drugs would then be able to get them, and would misuse them or become addicted which would lead to crime, also that comment was directed at the fact that the person wanted ALL drugs legalized. if only the softer drugs were legalized and regulated a bit i wouldn't think it would affect society much at all.
4. no most people are actually pretty fucking stupid. i don't give them any credit at all, you can believe your way but i believe the opposite.
5. it is the kids fault yes, but the acid being completely legal and easy to get helped him fuck up. like i've said before, when i made those posts i was refuting the fact that all drugs shouldn't be legal and have no restrictions. if some were legal and had restrictions it would be ok.
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ThisIsACoolName
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These posts make my stomach turn. How people can dilute themselves into thinking that drugs are the only way to experience ones own mind, I have no idea. It's sad, and pathetic. I've gotten high plenty of times, off and on from when I was about 16 to when I was 20. Then I grew out of it. Luckily I was never tricked into thinking that it was doing anything for me other than making me feel nice for a few hours. Honestly, if you feel that drug use does anything more for you, you have a problem. I have absolutely no respect for habitual drug users. None.
Even worse is their denial that drugs are dangerous. The fact that they fucking kill people apparently isn't enough for them, so they keep living in denial until it either destroys their lives or flat out kills them. And this: "Addiction isn't the end of the world anyway." Fuck that. It blows me away that someone can say this with a straight face. It is the end of an individual.
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Agreed. I don't really have a problem with people who get high occasionally but the people who are obsessed with it are annoying.
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No, stupid and uneducated people driving (not to mention those under the influence of alcohol or other drugs) kill people.
ThisIsACoolName
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I thought it was perfectly clear that I was talking about my views on drug users and the way they attempt to rationalize their self destructive habits by downplaying its enormous risks and the astronomical amount of damage drugs do to a person (as well as those close to him / her), and by attempting to portray drugs as a means of actually improving ones life or perception, as opposed to a means of escaping their own short comings (which is people use drugs habitually). It wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it does if the ones who say shit like that didn't do it in such an arrogant way (and now I'm not talking about you or anyone specific, but about the attitudes of these drug users, in general). It's one thing to defend ones own drug use, but it's another to take it a step further and insinuate that everyone else would benefit from drug use, or that those who don't are "missing out" or "closed minded". It isn't the weakness of these people that leaves such a bad taste in my mouth, but the apparent pride they take in it.
Despite the fact that even something as simple as cannabis is, in fact, capable of doing a huge amount of damage to someones life, I'm well aware that it's very much like alcohol in that most people can use it responsibly, and therefore I would have no problem with it being legalized. Regardless, I'm still not going to use it anymore, and the fact that I ever did is something I'm ashamed of.
Don't even attempt this fucking farce of an argument.
The Ozzman
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Weed is less detrimental than alcohol. This is coming from a guy that has smoked weed about 5-10 times his entire life.
Let's get back on topic, this thread has exploded since my shift last night (a good thing) 
There seems to be a clear devision in opinion, a definite for and against as far as capital punishment is concerned.
I know this has been partially addressed in numerous posts, but I'd like to see more summarised responses...
... For those especially who are against capital punishment, I ask, hypothetically of course: let's say you were a creator of the law. For the first time in (modern) history, you alone have the chance to rewrite the way the law is written. How would you, by replacing/abolishing capital punishment, seek to correctly punish criminals who have committed crimes worthy of a death sentence today, in accordance to your feelings about capital punishment?
In your response, please try to address why you feel your idea is a suitable course of action and a justifiable sentence, feel free to use examples of crimes to clarify. For example, if not lethal injection, what would you suggest is a better sentence/punishment method for a serial killer?
There seems to be a clear devision in opinion, a definite for and against as far as capital punishment is concerned.
I know this has been partially addressed in numerous posts, but I'd like to see more summarised responses...
... For those especially who are against capital punishment, I ask, hypothetically of course: let's say you were a creator of the law. For the first time in (modern) history, you alone have the chance to rewrite the way the law is written. How would you, by replacing/abolishing capital punishment, seek to correctly punish criminals who have committed crimes worthy of a death sentence today, in accordance to your feelings about capital punishment?
In your response, please try to address why you feel your idea is a suitable course of action and a justifiable sentence, feel free to use examples of crimes to clarify. For example, if not lethal injection, what would you suggest is a better sentence/punishment method for a serial killer?
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Houses Ov Mercury
Maximum security prisons, increase human security, special section for people who would be on death row (obviously) with even more ridiculously high tech security (newest innovations in camera, etc. technology) there. Bare bones meals (just enough to be considered ethical treatment for an unethical person so as not to be hypocritical or backwards), no real advantages at all. Clear out people from current prisons for things Nec said including minor drug possession crimes, minor driving/parking/whatever violations.
In addition, I realize the problem of funding and propose a rather large tax on cigarettes/tobacco products, maybe a marginal increase in alcohol tax, and (if we were to make marijuana legal, which we should under certain circumstances such as only private use) heavy taxation of marijuana.
In addition, I realize the problem of funding and propose a rather large tax on cigarettes/tobacco products, maybe a marginal increase in alcohol tax, and (if we were to make marijuana legal, which we should under certain circumstances such as only private use) heavy taxation of marijuana.
The Ozzman
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ThisIsACoolName
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Ok. I don't agree, but I respect your position.
I see it as being juvenile and a character flaw. The lying and sneaking around because of it didn't help, either. I hated- absolutely hated- lying to my parents, and it still bothers me.
It doesn't really deserve a counter. I liken it to those slippery slope arguments against gay marriage ("oh well where does it end huh people marrying toasters? Not in my America!"). The risks of hard drugs so greatly outweigh the benefits (if there are any) that people should not be permitted to use them, just like we're not permitted to climb up the sides of buildings or drive around in vehicles that don't meet safety standards. Everything has risks. Obviously. It's inevitable. However most things have some sort of substantial benefit, or are somehow necessary. Sorry, but taking LSD is not beneficial or necessary in any way.
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Houses Ov Mercury
You aren't really in the position to judge what is and/or isn't beneficial to people, tbh (though I agree with most of your position).
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Because (psychedelic) recreational drug use is (typically) a subjective experience which may or may not have positive effects on the user.
PanzerKunt
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My cousin was raped and killed when she was 8 years old almost 8 years ago. The guy who commited this crime was sentenced to 19 years in prison, which is fairly close to the highest penalty you can get in Norway. His friend, who raped and killed my cousin's 10 year old friend was sentenced to 21 years (highest) because he was the "leader" and the other guy cooperated during the investigation after they got caught, as opposed to the "leader" character. In addition to the 21 years he got, he needs to do a psyche check prior to his release, and can be held back another 5 years if they don't see him fit to return to society. The guy who got 19 years does not have to go through this process, and will be released some time within the next 6-7 years because prisoners in Norway only serve about 2/3-3/4 time. They took my cousin and her friend's lives, abused them sexually and spent a lot of time violating their bodies in the process. I was in court one of the days and the things that they admitted doing were so extreme I had to leave the room. I do not believe people who commit such crimes should be allowed another chance. There is no reason they should be set free and possibly do a thing like that again, and I know a some people who get out of jail sometimes do that, which is reason enough for me not to gamble on the subject. You reap as you sow, and taking one's life except in self defence should be rewarded with death penalty, but I doubt that will ever happen here. How is taking a murderer's life more cruel than letting one loose only to commit the crime once again? I'm not saying this always happens, but one time is enough for me, and more importantly the people who are killed because the society/government are too politically correct to do something about the problem.
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Houses Ov Mercury
The crime standards in Norway are most definitely fucked up considering a murderer/rapist/whatever should DEFINITELY AND UNALTERABLY get a LIFE sentence. And I don't mean life as in 50-whatever years or some shit...I mean life. Until they DIE.
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