Death Sentences etc.
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Indeed, it's like any other drive, it becomes a motivation in itself. The only thing that is satiated by achieving vengeance is the drive to achieve vengeance. After that is the realization that vengeance hasn't benefited you in any way and that drive was more like an addiction that needed to fix than a hunger for fine cuisine.
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My stance on capitol punishment depends on the severity of the crime. I've always believed in eye for an eye, and if it costs me my tax dollars, then so be it. A lot of criminals never learn from their mistakes, so why waste even more tax dollars trying to rehabilitate a habitual offender? Life sentences are fine, but only if the situation warrants it. If that person tortured, killed and butchered an individual, its most likely that person will do something of the same nature once released out of custody. an insane person is an insane person. yes, we could medicate them, which also costs tax dollars, but why don't we just kill two birds with one stone (figuratively speaking) and save ourselves the trouble?
Zephyrus
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This is my belief, as I stated earlier, that most people would rather die than stare at a wall for the rest of their lives.
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ShredHeadJHJ
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I think that if someone does something so bad that it will land them in the pen for the rest of their life that they should be put to death. Definitely. Why make them rot in prison for the rest of their life until they are old & grey?? That is much more cruel & it costs more money in the long run, even thogh it costs a lot of money to put someone to death.
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Yeah but when the go to prison they are given free food and TV for the rest of their lives and it is just a big vacation house where they just sit around and smoke and be joyous. It's more like a reward than a punishment. [/Krig]
^ Very true.
And old neighbour of mine was a prison warden and he told me many stories about how prisoners were treated. They lead lives of luxuries in there (in context of the fact that they are in prison). Their living standards are very good behind bars.
And old neighbour of mine was a prison warden and he told me many stories about how prisoners were treated. They lead lives of luxuries in there (in context of the fact that they are in prison). Their living standards are very good behind bars.
MasterOLightning
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Don't ask me how I know this now, but I am pretty sure that it really sucks to be in federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison, which is where you go when you commit murder. You sit in a solitary empty room for basically 23 hours a day. Until you die. If only you were so lucky, Hubster, to have such luxury, huh?
I am strongly against capital punishment, but some of the arguments against it are much better than others. Capital punishment is prone to errors, but so is the criminal justice system in general. Moral arguments are nice, but often not persuasive to those who just disagree.
The primary goal of prison is not to punish, achieve vengeance, or rehabilitate. It is to incapacitate; to lock people away so they cannot commit any more crimes. Locking someone up for life with no parole is just as effective as execution, and it is cheaper. In addition, it sends a powerful peaceful message when a society decides to restrain its anger and outrage in a way that the killer could not. Executions have a brutalizing effect that breeds a culture of anger and vengeance. The US is one of a few countries that still administers the death penalty, and there is way more crime here than in countries that do not have it. This suggests not only that it is an ineffective deterrent, but that there's a good chance it has the opposite effect on people. Executions develop the idea that two wrongs make a right, which is an extremely detrimental way to think. Not to mention that "eye for an eye" is just a ludicrous way to think about handling crime.
I am strongly against capital punishment, but some of the arguments against it are much better than others. Capital punishment is prone to errors, but so is the criminal justice system in general. Moral arguments are nice, but often not persuasive to those who just disagree.
The primary goal of prison is not to punish, achieve vengeance, or rehabilitate. It is to incapacitate; to lock people away so they cannot commit any more crimes. Locking someone up for life with no parole is just as effective as execution, and it is cheaper. In addition, it sends a powerful peaceful message when a society decides to restrain its anger and outrage in a way that the killer could not. Executions have a brutalizing effect that breeds a culture of anger and vengeance. The US is one of a few countries that still administers the death penalty, and there is way more crime here than in countries that do not have it. This suggests not only that it is an ineffective deterrent, but that there's a good chance it has the opposite effect on people. Executions develop the idea that two wrongs make a right, which is an extremely detrimental way to think. Not to mention that "eye for an eye" is just a ludicrous way to think about handling crime.
ShredHeadJHJ
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However it turns out at the end, people who are sentenced to life in prison should be put to death whether it costs a bit more money in the long run or not...
I wouldn't be able to stand seeing a loved one in prison for their whole life. I would rest easier if they put them down. It's a harsh truth, but I think there comes a time when enough is enough.
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Exactly. And of course it is far more realistic than rehabilitation. But rehabilitation would be ideal because it not only negates the arbitrary standards of the current sentencing process, but it also (theoretically) reconditions people who were previously viewed as lost causes to be productive members of society.
The way that you feel really has no bearing on the issue. If it makes you feel icky inside thinking about somebody in your family being in jail until they die, do you really think that that is an important issue in deciding what is the proper sentence for an individual?
The Ozzman
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What about the offenders who really can't be rehabilitated such as repeat sex offenders?
I would assume you would just want to lock them away until they die, correct?
I would assume you would just want to lock them away until they die, correct?
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Bro, go back and read my first post on this subject, I don't want to keep reiterating all of the points I made over and over again, but yes, those who "can't be rehabilitated" will de facto receive a "life sentence" in that they will never be released if they can't show that they are rehabilitated. And BTW one of the goals of my system is for there to be no repeat offenders. If somebody repeats an offense after they're released, unless it was an extreme circumstance, that is an automatic life sentence.
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