Discussion about nu-metal

[HazeM*]

I listen to music that i like, Genres are ghey

 

[opeth8]

^^^ That picture is giving me nightmare's ^^^

 

[Fredy_Brown]

Nice job copy/pasting from Wikipedia. And yes, commercial success does equal mainstream. Bands that sell millions of records are mainstream. My brain is actually melting from how retarded this argument is. Christ.

Yes, wikipediea is useful sometimes. No it doesn´t. Classical music´s composers are selling (or labes with rights) milions of albums and they aren´t mainstream.

 

[JoeVice]

For one thing a large amount of it is manufactured rather than created by people who care about music.

no matter how phony a musician seems, i doubt that there exists a single musician who doesn't care about the music.

and, what do you mean by manufactured?

 

[CAIRATH]

There are loads of radiostations all over just the country where I live (and I'm sure it's same everywhere else in the world) entirely dedicated to classical music. Are there any radiostations entirely dedicated to death metal? Black metal? Any metal at all? Industrial? Ambient? No. There is plenty of mainstream classical music. Hell my mother listens to loads of it and has a CD rack full of it downstairs. All perfectly mainstream non-obscure classical music that you could buy at *any* CD store.

Classical music in general just has a different distribution channel than other music because it has a completely different target audience (ie. it obviously isn't played on MTV).

 

[Kenneth R.]

Yes, wikipediea is useful sometimes. No it doesn´t. Classical music´s composers are selling (or labes with rights) milions of albums and they aren´t mainstream.

Who doesn't know who Bach is? Beethoven? Mozart? worldwide, these long-dead guys are extremely well-known. Household names. That = mainstream, because the mainstream = popularity.

 

[CAIRATH]

no matter how phony a musician seems, i doubt that there exists a single musician who doesn't care about the music.

and, what do you mean by manufactured?

By manufactured I mean labels have a big hand in deciding the artistic direction of a band and actually try to sign bands that are similar to successful existing acts in order to try to cash in on that success which creates an oversaturation of bland ripoff bands that all sound virtually the same. This happened with the nu-metal scene and is now again happening with the emocore scene. It's just a continuous cycle of bloating the latest fad to the point that everyone gets sick of it, then dropping all those bands like a ton of bricks and moving on to the next thing.

Sure, some of those bands really may care about the music but there are plenty who don't (ie Johathan Davies from Korn talking about "The Korn brand" as if he's talking about a product rather than about a goddamn band who is supposed to make music). When you listen to bands who are clearly not in a position where they make loads of money with their music you don't have to second guess their integrity.

 

[Larsson]

^^^ That picture is giving me nightmare's ^^^

What is it? Male? Female? If its male i think those are the biggest man-boobs i have ever seen. If it's a female it might well be the most unfuckable creaure alive.

 

[daz436]

its a chick hahah

 

[HazeM*]

lmfao its my girlfriend u bastards

 

[daz436]

LOL

 

[Fredy_Brown]

I don´t care what radiostations play. Black Metal should not be played on radiostations.
You can buy Darkthrone´s records in almost every CD store, would you call them underground?
Also, who the fuck cares what is or isn´t mainstream? Just posers. You like it or not, that´s it.

Who doesn't know who Bach is? Beethoven? Mozart? worldwide, these long-dead guys are extremely well-known. Household names. That = mainstream, because the mainstream = popularity.

Yes, you´re not wrong at all. The problem is, that there was´t term like mainstream whe they did make a music, if they would live at present and would be well known, they would be mainstream artists, but they don´t live at present.

 

[Larsson]

No. This is:

Well, both actually.

 

[CAIRATH]

Arguing with Fredy_Brown is like trying to push a square peg through a round hole.

I'm throwing in the towel.

 

[FRUGiHOYi]

No. This is:

Well, both actually.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[daz436]

i cant view any of Larsson's images

 

[WinterSonnet]

Mtv generates endless nu metal bands, I am starting to think they are the ones that created this mess. Headbangers ball should be called Nu metal ball, it is nothing but advertisments of bands they think you should listen to. They are corrupting metal making all the young kids think that this is metal, but it is not, it is plastic fake crap and most of these bands will die off. Every week there is a new one just as shitty as the other, no originality, no guitar skills and they all go.... chug chugedy chug chug chugedy chug chug chugedy chug chug. It is almost like Master P's no limit records, were a new act comes out every week, but the expiration date is on the back of the cd.

You took the words out of my mouth.

 

[FRUGiHOYi]

Corrupting metal... you sound like the music elitist version of a white supremacist.

 

[JoeVice]

By manufactured I mean labels have a big hand in deciding the artistic direction of a band and actually try to sign bands that are similar to successful existing acts in order to try to cash in on that success which creates an oversaturation of bland ripoff bands that all sound virtually the same. This happened with the nu-metal scene and is now again happening with the emocore scene. It's just a continuous cycle of bloating the latest fad to the point that everyone gets sick of it, then dropping all those bands like a ton of bricks and moving on to the next thing.

Sure, some of those bands really may care about the music but there are plenty who don't (ie Johathan Davies from Korn talking about "The Korn brand" as if he's talking about a product rather than about a goddamn band who is supposed to make music). When you listen to bands who are clearly not in a position where they make loads of money with their music you don't have to second guess their integrity.

yah, it is quite shitty when the label directs a band's music. but, i guess that no one actually has proof of that happening. although, korn's track, "y'all want a single?", which was supposed to be an attack on their label, is obviously a marketing scheme that taps into a junior high kid's rebelious side, and was probably whole-heartedly supported by the label. i mean, obviously...they released the fucking song.

but, a record label signs a certain band. this isn't only in the case of the nu-metal scene. there is plenty of same-old-shit death metal, power metal, blues....etc.

you say that this directs the current fad. i completely agree with you...but, you can't blame the genre of nu-metal for being a fad. the fad is always there. the fad is a constant, defined by the mainstream public. nu-metal became part of that fad, and got a bad rep for it (aside from criticism of the music).

i don't think that the amount of money that a band makes can represent their integrity. i.e., a label could tell a band to make ____<--this type of music, which ends up being a flop. also, could there be bands that play underground music for the sake of having an underground image?

i heard this on another board somewhere, so it could just be a rumor...correct me if i'm wrong. i heard that black metal was created as a rebellion to the commercialization of death metal. is that integrity?...basing music off of a genre's perceived lack of integrity?

sure, jonathan davis does get caught up in a lot of fashion, pop-culture, he said she said bullshit...but you must draw a distinct line between all of that and the music. you have no way of knowing how that guy feels about his music. i'm sure it means a lot to him. i mean, he chose it as a career, (korn didn't start out huge), he continues doing it. korn is constantly changing their sound. you have to respect them for always trying new things...whether or not they suck at it.

one thing that is quite stupid about korn, is the fact that their new guitarist doesn't join them on stage. its probably because he doesn't have long enough dreadlocks.

my ultimate point is this...no matter how much supid behind the scenes, or on the tv shit is going on, that always has to be separated from the music...no matter what...whether or not the music is being directed by the label, fashion, whatever. a genre of music classifies the music, not the culture that surrounds it. when judging music, it should be based only on what you hear when you hit play...nothing else. it is fine to poke fun at the fad, teen-angst, manufactured, etc. shit...but, the music, whether or not it is directed by all of that, must be judged seperately.

 

[FRUGiHOYi]

yah, it is quite shitty when the label directs a band's music. but, i guess that no one actually has proof of that happening. although, korn's track, "y'all want a single?", which was supposed to be an attack on their label, is obviously a marketing scheme that taps into a junior high kid's rebelious side, and was probably whole-heartedly supported by the label. i mean, obviously...they released the fucking song.

but, a record label signs a certain band. this isn't only in the case of the nu-metal scene. there is plenty of same-old-shit death metal, power metal, blues....etc.

you say that this directs the current fad. i completely agree with you...but, you can't blame the genre of nu-metal for being a fad. the fad is always there. the fad is a constant, defined by the mainstream public. nu-metal became part of that fad, and got a bad rep for it (aside from criticism of the music).

i don't think that the amount of money that a band makes can represent their integrity. i.e., a label could tell a band to make ____<--this type of music, which ends up being a flop. also, could there be bands that play underground music for the sake of having an underground image?

i heard this on another board somewhere, so it could just be a rumor...correct me if i'm wrong. i heard that black metal was created as a rebellion to the commercialization of death metal. is that integrity?...basing music off of a genre's perceived lack of integrity?

sure, jonathan davis does get caught up in a lot of fashion, pop-culture, he said she said bullshit...but you must draw a distinct line between all of that and the music. you have no way of knowing how that guy feels about his music. i'm sure it means a lot to him. i mean, he chose it as a career, (korn didn't start out huge), he continues doing it. korn is constantly changing their sound. you have to respect them for always trying new things...whether or not they suck at it.

one thing that is quite stupid about korn, is the fact that their new guitarist doesn't join them on stage. its probably because he doesn't have long enough dreadlocks.

my ultimate point is this...no matter how much supid behind the scenes, or on the tv shit is going on, that always has to be separated from the music...no matter what...whether or not the music is being directed by the label, fashion, whatever. a genre of music classifies the music, not the culture that surrounds it. when judging music, it should be based only on what you hear when you hit play...nothing else. it is fine to poke fun at the fad, teen-angst, manufactured, etc. shit...but, the music, whether or not it is directed by all of that, must be judged seperately.

Nicely said, good to see some people on this board aren't completely ignorant.