Do themes such as Satanism or Anti-Christianity Affect Your Metal Preferences?

"101 Rules of True Satanism"

1. Own all books written by Anton LaVey
2. Quote Nietzsche obsessively, but own none of his books.
3. Come up with long, evil sounding nick names like the grand high exalted daemon magister templi rex of the third degree
4. Whenever greeting other Satanists, the only acceptable greeting is Ave.
5. When feeling especially Satanic say Ave Satanas.
6. Pretend Ave Satanas is appropriate Latin.
7. Use Latin as much as possible. It is the Dark Lord's chosen language.
8. Come up with evil sounding screen names for message boards, like goatlord666, infernalbelial9, and Crucifier.
9. End all screen names with 666.
10. If you can't come up with an evil enough sounding screen name placing Lord in front of your own name is acceptable.
11. Own all of Crowley's books and read exactly none of them.
12. Form an online Satanic org with you and your friends and declare yourself the high priest.
13. Give your org a hellish sounding name like The Temple of Unholy Sacrilege, The Evil Church of Satanic Divinity, or, if the name you want is taken, The FIRST Evil Church of Satanic Divinity.
14. Offer members of your org an evil looking certificate or card.
15. Update your org's site once a year- no exceptions!
16. Turn all crosses you see up side down.
17. Make inverted crosses out of random objects.
18. Draw inverted pentagrams on your spiral notebook in math class.
19. Wear all black, all the time!
20. Paint your fingernails black, and don't repaint them until it has all worn off.
21. If your parents let you, paint your room black.
22. Make a Satanic alter using your dresser.
23. Carry your Satanic Bible everywhere you go.
24. Stand up for originality and individualism, but look like every other Satanist.
25. Wear outrageous looking clothes, and then complain when other students make fun of you.
26. Wear Halloween cloaks and capes as your ritual attire.
27. Listen to heavy metal.
28. Make the sign of the horns and bang your head while listening to heavy metal.
29. Make the sign of the horns while looking in the mirror to remind yourself of just how evil you are.
30. Never smile for pictures, and make the sign of the horns.
31. Complain about real world actions with Satanism but spend all day on message boards.
32. Leave your Halloween decorations up year round.
33. Celebrate all Satanic holidays even if you don't know what they are for.
34. Get excited every time your sales receipt comes out to $6.66.
35. Instead of saying oh my god, say oh my Satan.
36. Repeat the Lord's Prayer backwards six times every night before bed.
37. Make long boring posts on message boards that don't go anywhere.
38. Your signature should contain at least six lines not including Hail Satan.
39. Join every online org you come across.
40. Join every e-group and message board you can, post at each one approximately twice.
41. Create your own message board, and only allow your friends access.
42. Make your own Satanic website by ripping off everyone else's.
43. Declare yourself a Modern Satanist, wait a week, declare yourself a traditional Satanist, then revert back to Modern Satanism.
44. When anyone asks you what the difference between traditional and modern Satanism is, simply say: We are all sons of the Dark Lord.
45. Tell all your friends that you follow the Left Hand Path. When asked what that means just stare at them blankly.
46. If it's a dark sounding religion or path, it must be linked to Satanism. Examples include: Vampyrism, Demonolatry, and Chaos Magic.
47. Always spell vampire with a "Y".
48. Name your pets after the Infernal Names.
49. Hang out in cemeteries after dark.
 
50. Stir up trouble in Christian chat rooms.
51. Always spell Christian as Xtian.
52. I know what your altar is missing, a fake skull.
53. Cover your car's bumper with Satanic bumper stickers. Act surprised when they get ripped off.
54. Own Satanic clothing and jewelry; only wear them indoors when your parents are not home.
55. Start fights with other Satanic orgs because they are not true enough.
56. Claim to have secret knowledge of ancient occult mysteries.
57. Offer viewing of these ancient secrets for a small, nonrefundable fee.
58. Claim that you come from a long line of devil worshippers and that LaVeyans are not true.
59. Get ordained at the Universal Life Church (ULC)
60. Attempt to gain tax exemption.
61. When passing Jehovah's Witnesses on the road, yell "God is dead" out the window while giving the sign of the horns.
62. Post on message boards with more than one screen name. Use one alias to back up the other's arguments.
63. Blame all your troubles on God. When something good happens yell Hail Satan.
64. Pretend online curses are intimidating.
65. Dye your hair black.
666. Try to obtain a pet goat.
66. Rewrite the Nine Satanic Statements, Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, and Nine Satanic sins.
67. Claim to be writing the next Satanic Bible.
68. Tell everyone you are the new "Black Pope".
69. Remember, Satanists are easy to make money off of. Sell Satanic paraphernalia at ridiculous prices.
70. Cheap Halloween accessories are an inexpensive source of ritual tools.
71. Bash Wiccans but own at least one Wiccan/Pagan book.
72. Read Harry Potter books.
73. When you have a strange dream, it must be significant, tell others immediately.
74. Use white out to draw inverted pentagrams on your backpack straps.
75. Cast curses on the bullies at school.
76. When someone asks you what's the significance of the Baphomet, tell them that it's a dark secret and cannot be revealed to outsiders.
77. Re-read The Satanic Bible, this time make sure to get past the second page.
78. Master the Enochian language.
79. Read Might is Right and wonder why it seems so familiar.
80. End all emails with Shemhamphorash.
81. If asked what Shemhamphorash means, stare blankly.
82. Don't spell Satan as S8N.
83. Start yet another Satanic group in Canada.
84. Claim ruler ship over the city your group resides in.
85. "Misplace" bibles from motel rooms.
86. Hang an up-side-down cross from your rearview mirror.
87. Call your phone company and request a phone number beginning with 666.
88. Own a pet snake.
89. Black cats also make acceptable pets.
96. The only acceptable colors for your altar candles are black, white, and if feeling especially grim - red.
97. All true Satanists collect fantasy weapons off of ebay.
98. Makes plans to build an actual Satanic church.
99. If that does not work out make plans to open an occult book/coffee shop.
100. Hang out in the occult/new age section of the bookstore waiting for other dark brethren to arrive.
101. You mean to tell me you read this whole thing when you could have been jerking off in a cemetery while worshiping Satan somewhere?! For shame!!!
 
- What are your views on the above topics in metal?
more suitable in metal than other genres, since the black or death vox compliments the content more than the likes of Necro (The rapper) who speaks "evil" type themes with a faggot lisp... it just doesn't create the same vibe.


- do you listen to metal for those things?
I never listen to music for lyrical content, if I want something with substance that's what reading is for. Since I don't believe Satanism has any more validity than any other religion, hearing about it is nothing more than hearing about Zeus and warriors in Viking metal---I can enjoy it, but I don't take any of it seriously, and I certainly wouldn't favor a song about Satan over one about Archilles or how cold the wind is in Europe.


- if you do not believe in organized religon or God, what are your views on the matter?
religious music is to be expected from religious people. hopefully it doesn't ruin the music.
 
...so to promote freedom we have tons of Satanic or anti-Christian bands in metal? That makes a lot of sense.
In the context of what The Greys is positing, it makes a lot of sense. If religion restricts freedom than going against that will promote freedom. I don't think this is completely true, but it makes sense in the way he said it.
I don't give a damn what any band sings about "as long as the music's loud" (to quote the almighty Priest). Most people who make stupid statements like "all Christian music sucks" have never heard all Christian music or even more than a handful of bands. Since it's such a significantly smaller genre than secular music, it's harder to find those few really good bands in Christian music, and often times to find them you usually have to do some serious searching - which most atheists obviously won't do.
Strawman alert.
 
I'm a christian right, bu i love deicide cannibal corpse all that shit if i like the music ill list6en to it i dont condone the lyrics or belifs of any of the people
 
What? I'm an Atheist, and I don't search for music by religion. I couldn't give a fuck whether a band is Satanic, Christian, or Zoroastrian as long as they sound good. I would assume that most Atheists would think the same way.

You misunderstood my point. I mean that atheists generally won't bother visiting Christian metal forums or talking to fans of the genre to find out which bands are the good ones buried under all the popular crap. The Christian bands that are big enough to be mentioned are often times not even close to being the best, just as it is with secular music.

cookiecutter said:
In the context of what The Greys is positing, it makes a lot of sense. If religion restricts freedom than going against that will promote freedom. I don't think this is completely true, but it makes sense in the way he said it.

Religion doesn't restrict freedom in all cases though, just like a gun it can be misused and used to manipulate people when it's put into the wrong hands (or heads). If music and metal are to be about freedom then it should be tolerant of other beliefs/ideas, which is what I was saying makes no sense given the amount of hatred there is in metal, for religion and many other things.

cookiecutter said:
Strawman alert.

What the hell was illogical about that post? You quote an entire block of text with multiple subjects discussed in it and say "strawman alert" to all of it? Retard alert.
 
If music and metal are to be about freedom then it should be tolerant of other beliefs/ideas, which is what I was saying makes no sense given the amount of hatred there is in metal, for religion and many other things.
:erk: Stop over analysing Metal, its fukking Metal, dammit! Stop trying to make it into something its not. Dont strangle the life out of the music by trying to explain what the purpose of metal is, the purpose is to make you bang your fukking heads! :kickass:
 
:erk: Stop over analysing Metal, its fukking Metal, dammit! Stop trying to make it into something its not. Dont strangle the life out of the music by trying to explain what the purpose of metal is, the purpose is to make you bang your fukking heads! :kickass:

Shut the fuck up. I'm not trying to explain the purpose of metal, dumbass, I'm trying to tell other people not to do that when they say it's about freedom when it's really not that simple. If he meant self-indulgent freedom, then yes, but that's not freedom for everyone.

And all the crap about evolution... come off it, people. Yes, evolution is basically proven (at least microevolution is), but that doesn't rule out the possibility of God. I believe evolution is the answer to how, but not the answer to why. Though I'm still not sure there's significant enough evidence to prove the Big Bang theory.
 
Shut the fuck up. I'm not trying to explain the purpose of metal, dumbass, I'm trying to tell other people not to do that when they say it's about freedom when it's really not that simple. If he meant self-indulgent freedom, then yes, but that's not freedom for everyone.

And all the crap about evolution... come off it, people. Yes, evolution is basically proven (at least microevolution is), but that doesn't rule out the possibility of God. I believe evolution is the answer to how, but not the answer to why. Though I'm still not sure there's significant enough evidence to prove the Big Bang theory.


Well if Darwinian evolution is true then there is no why... only how. And actually I would think if anything the Big Bang theory would support theistic beliefs (though not biblical ones).
 
Have a beer, listen to some metal and chill, TaylorC. I havent followed the entire thread, apologies if I took what you said out of context of the conversation. Carry on.
 
You misunderstood my point. I mean that atheists generally won't bother visiting Christian metal forums or talking to fans of the genre to find out which bands are the good ones buried under all the popular crap. The Christian bands that are big enough to be mentioned are often times not even close to being the best, just as it is with secular music.

Well there's your problem right there. The fact that Christian metal seperates itself from secular metal so much that the only way to find good stuff is to go join a Christian metal forum, is ridiculous. Like I said before, I don't search for music by religion. Why does "Christian Metal" have to be an exclusive genre unto itself?