do you believe in god?
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i dont believe in god...its just that i dont like the idea of being created, cause as easy it is being created its just as easy to be deleated!!
No, i don't believe in gods. The belief in a god is a ridicoulus attempt to make humans understand what they can't understand.
And anyway, in my opinion, religions are the spawn of all evil...
And anyway, in my opinion, religions are the spawn of all evil...
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Belief is a fundamental thing we all have. People can believe what they like, as long as it suits them. However, when they start going around forcing their beliefs they are not welcome.
This is shown by dawnghost saying "God exists". He has no evidence of this, no miracles. Nothing but scripture aids his way. Mind you, which God he believes in is for him to decide, whether it is Jehovah or Zues or Marduk.
The fact is, there is more evidence against God than there is for one. Religion is a creation of man to understand things better. Why do you think the bible, Zorah and Qu'ran leave out scripture dealing with abortion? It didn't exist at that time, and religion was just a way of controlling people at that time.
We know from scriptures, that every modern religion copies it's stories from past ancient religions. The links date back to the Sumerians, the flood story, the whore story, etc. etc.
If you think there is a God, fine - don't preach it like it is fact, because it is NOT a fact - if you think it is, I suggest you read your religious texts, and research into mythology.
As for the posts regarding "if hell exists then God exists".
Hell started off as a place of dwelling when you die (afterlife). The greeks changed the Sumerian concept into the Underworld of Hades and Tartarus. The Jews (based on Zorah) changed this into Gehinnom or The Final Gehenna. This means, a place of purgatory, where everyone goes to be cured from sin.
Modern christians have perverted the Jewish version of Gehinnom, into their own version, which they call hell. It has all the traits of Gehinnom, except only non-believers go there.
If you are bothered about religion at all (which you shouldn't be, we're all individual and don't need a book to tell us how to live) then visit http://www.pantheon.org/mythica < this is a good source about mythology.
Sorry, droned on a bit, but it had to be pointed out.
Kind Regards - Pyro
btw... i read an very interesting text some time ago...
"The bible itself says in Revelations, that God is destined to win and all that could ever happen has already been determined to happen. According to this the fight against God is useless because you're destined to burn in hell since God will without a doubt win the fight between good and evil (so act now, hurry hurry and save your soul forever before it's too late!!). This of coarse sounds like the scarcity law you learn in your marketing class in High School.
A second point made is of common sense amongst anyone who knows of the bible, is that God is all knowing and ever-present. This would point to fact that God is immune to time. He knows what will happen at all times, and knows the outcome of all thought and action.
With the simple knowledge you now have of God it will be clear that his very existence contradicts his existence. You see...if God is all-knowing and is aware of the outcome of every action then he is responsible for all evil, and has been deliberate to instill pain and suffering amongst all life. You see...with his infinite knowledge of future events, he created the angel Lucifer with free will, and was aware that Lucifer would in turn defy him and have to be tossed into hell. So God created Satan knowing exactly what would happen and allowed it to happen on purpose. By Christian logic then, God is the true spawn of all evil.
Since God represents all that is good and is omnipresent, he must also exist in hell. However, God can't exist in hell because he is the essence of all good. And so God would be flawed if a part of him did encapsulate evil inside any part of space and time. Unless of coarse that space is his creation, and in so he would be become the creator of that evil. God making Satan without knowing the outcome would be a mistake at a level of enormous magnitude. A flaw in simple terms. But, if he is flawed he can't be God because God exists outside time and would see his own mistakes before and after they would occur. In layman's terms, he can never make any move without having every fucking possibility accounted for. He's the greatest fucking Chessmaster in existence. He is without the ability to do evil, have evil in him, or make a fucking mistake. Even if you cut his arms off and gauged his eyes out he would still hunt you down and fuck your girlfriend for an eternity while you blinked. So why create life then? The only rational explanation is for a diversion to the boredom of his own infinite knowledge and presence. Or as we see it, the human experience.
We have all heard the stories from the Bible, and being realistic one would concur that the stories in the bible are all fucking impossible unless they are historic remnants of advanced beings from distant planets from whom we were bred, used, and left behind. Let's face it, religion itself is full of numerous contradictions, while science fails to link modern man to his roots. And there's Noah's arc which could not possibly fit two of all the animals and insects in the world into a boat if they stuffed them with a junkyard trash compactor, while modern archeology finds that the modern man existed even before his cave inhabited predecessors.
By Christian terms the only reasonable explanation for a God would be to satisfy the hunger of a sick power-hungry egomaniac. I mean...guys have G-Spots up their asses and fags are sinning? What's that about? The fucking guy invented dead rotting pussies and road kill. He thought up the idea for shiteating and pigfucking. God is more obscene than the worst hardcore porn publisher for he is the idea which gives hold for all experience. God is the manufacturer of every conceivable thing that is right and wrong with the world, because he made the world.
A test you say? God actually using energy to refine or double check something he could destroy, recreate, and perfect before you read another word seems careless or redundant at best. He's fucking perfect. Why waste your time if you already know the answers before the questions are asked unless it's that he revels in the pure sadistic enjoyment of every sin he condones? No, not a test. For God finds little enjoyment in our human trials. A process of spiritual enlightenment. Our body a vehicle to build the tools we need for our journey to the next plateau. One that once you discover your relationship to him, you will be free of this material existence and continue to become closer to him. A journey willed upon yourself, and that only you yourself will finish."
"The bible itself says in Revelations, that God is destined to win and all that could ever happen has already been determined to happen. According to this the fight against God is useless because you're destined to burn in hell since God will without a doubt win the fight between good and evil (so act now, hurry hurry and save your soul forever before it's too late!!). This of coarse sounds like the scarcity law you learn in your marketing class in High School.
A second point made is of common sense amongst anyone who knows of the bible, is that God is all knowing and ever-present. This would point to fact that God is immune to time. He knows what will happen at all times, and knows the outcome of all thought and action.
With the simple knowledge you now have of God it will be clear that his very existence contradicts his existence. You see...if God is all-knowing and is aware of the outcome of every action then he is responsible for all evil, and has been deliberate to instill pain and suffering amongst all life. You see...with his infinite knowledge of future events, he created the angel Lucifer with free will, and was aware that Lucifer would in turn defy him and have to be tossed into hell. So God created Satan knowing exactly what would happen and allowed it to happen on purpose. By Christian logic then, God is the true spawn of all evil.
Since God represents all that is good and is omnipresent, he must also exist in hell. However, God can't exist in hell because he is the essence of all good. And so God would be flawed if a part of him did encapsulate evil inside any part of space and time. Unless of coarse that space is his creation, and in so he would be become the creator of that evil. God making Satan without knowing the outcome would be a mistake at a level of enormous magnitude. A flaw in simple terms. But, if he is flawed he can't be God because God exists outside time and would see his own mistakes before and after they would occur. In layman's terms, he can never make any move without having every fucking possibility accounted for. He's the greatest fucking Chessmaster in existence. He is without the ability to do evil, have evil in him, or make a fucking mistake. Even if you cut his arms off and gauged his eyes out he would still hunt you down and fuck your girlfriend for an eternity while you blinked. So why create life then? The only rational explanation is for a diversion to the boredom of his own infinite knowledge and presence. Or as we see it, the human experience.
We have all heard the stories from the Bible, and being realistic one would concur that the stories in the bible are all fucking impossible unless they are historic remnants of advanced beings from distant planets from whom we were bred, used, and left behind. Let's face it, religion itself is full of numerous contradictions, while science fails to link modern man to his roots. And there's Noah's arc which could not possibly fit two of all the animals and insects in the world into a boat if they stuffed them with a junkyard trash compactor, while modern archeology finds that the modern man existed even before his cave inhabited predecessors.
By Christian terms the only reasonable explanation for a God would be to satisfy the hunger of a sick power-hungry egomaniac. I mean...guys have G-Spots up their asses and fags are sinning? What's that about? The fucking guy invented dead rotting pussies and road kill. He thought up the idea for shiteating and pigfucking. God is more obscene than the worst hardcore porn publisher for he is the idea which gives hold for all experience. God is the manufacturer of every conceivable thing that is right and wrong with the world, because he made the world.
A test you say? God actually using energy to refine or double check something he could destroy, recreate, and perfect before you read another word seems careless or redundant at best. He's fucking perfect. Why waste your time if you already know the answers before the questions are asked unless it's that he revels in the pure sadistic enjoyment of every sin he condones? No, not a test. For God finds little enjoyment in our human trials. A process of spiritual enlightenment. Our body a vehicle to build the tools we need for our journey to the next plateau. One that once you discover your relationship to him, you will be free of this material existence and continue to become closer to him. A journey willed upon yourself, and that only you yourself will finish."
A Scarlet Sunset, you are of course absolutely right. The christian God is flawed in so many ways it needs a mindless idiot to believe the myths about him which contradict each other.
I can recommend going to http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contradictions.html << so you can see how flawed the bible really is.
I can recommend going to http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contradictions.html << so you can see how flawed the bible really is.
Tut Ankh Amon
I See You Masturbate!
i think there isn't much point in creating a argument about this ( not saying that anybody did, just commenting)... because on the end, nobody is going to change their minds, since this is the kind of thing that is totally rooted on our oppinions, it can't be changed by a few words.
And that's one of the big reasons the world is such a horrible place: religion. Some day people will cast off such delusions and there will be no suicide bombers, no sept 11, no holocaust would have happened, etc, etc... religion is by far the leading cause of war. Another big thing is all the pollution... Christianity and Judaism (is the spelling right?) actually teach a disdain for nature... man is the higher being, animals are just our tools (or symbols of evil; the goat and snake), fit to be used or eliminated at our whim, cause we are better. Well anybody who thinks that is fucking wrong and I HOPE YOU DIE so that the rest of humanity has a better chance of getting a clue. We evolved and are all animals. We are no better than flies or dogs or armadillos or platypi... I'd say we are much worse because I don't see them fucking up the planet.
Don't you think if paganism and nature-worship prevailed throughout the world today, that there would be much less pollution and that the rainforest would be larger than 5% of it's original size? Plus the obvious fact that Christianity is fake... they stole so much ideals and holidays from pagan religions and then tried to make paganism evil... and the old testament...
a fairy-tale rewritten 2000 years ago to suit people's tastes; now it's the new testament. Something like that should automatically discredit any credibility they had...
A Scarlet Sunset found something very amusing, pointing out one of the glaring contradictions of Christianity... trust me, if any of you read the bible I guarentee you'd lose your faith if you had an ounce of intelligence.
Sorry for knocking on Christianity, but it's too easy... I wish the majority of people were all Buddhist or something less incredibly ignorant and stupid.
And to answer your question, no, I don't believe in any god.
Science explains some stuff, but yeah, it doesn't explain quite a lot of shit. That's because we evolved and evolution didn't know we would create science, obviously. We aren't meant to know everything. We aren't "meant" for anything. We are lifeforms born out of the very soil and elements at our feet...
P.S. If alison was here from the Black League board she'd show you all a thing or two about religious debates!
Don't you think if paganism and nature-worship prevailed throughout the world today, that there would be much less pollution and that the rainforest would be larger than 5% of it's original size? Plus the obvious fact that Christianity is fake... they stole so much ideals and holidays from pagan religions and then tried to make paganism evil... and the old testament...
a fairy-tale rewritten 2000 years ago to suit people's tastes; now it's the new testament. Something like that should automatically discredit any credibility they had...A Scarlet Sunset found something very amusing, pointing out one of the glaring contradictions of Christianity... trust me, if any of you read the bible I guarentee you'd lose your faith if you had an ounce of intelligence.
Sorry for knocking on Christianity, but it's too easy... I wish the majority of people were all Buddhist or something less incredibly ignorant and stupid.
And to answer your question, no, I don't believe in any god.
Science explains some stuff, but yeah, it doesn't explain quite a lot of shit. That's because we evolved and evolution didn't know we would create science, obviously. We aren't meant to know everything. We aren't "meant" for anything. We are lifeforms born out of the very soil and elements at our feet...P.S. If alison was here from the Black League board she'd show you all a thing or two about religious debates!
Tut Ankh Amon
I See You Masturbate!
actually religion isn't a cause of war. Religion is an excuse for war. The cause of war is the humongous existance of dumb people in countries governments.
And saying that september 11 was caused by religion is plain stupidity. USA caused september 11. Religion just helped to make people belive that if they did what they did, they would go to heaven.
And saying that september 11 was caused by religion is plain stupidity. USA caused september 11. Religion just helped to make people belive that if they did what they did, they would go to heaven.
Do you honestly think those ppl would have killed themselves, and killed so many other ppl, if they didn't believe in an afterlife where they are promised that they will be heroes if they do this?!
Yes, government is a big factor, I agree. People can be quite power-hungry and stupid...
Yes, government is a big factor, I agree. People can be quite power-hungry and stupid...
religion is only reason i see our existance today. people need to believe ther is an after life. with out that after life, people would be afraid of every little thing. to fear god is the only fear you need. an after life helps people believe that if they lead a basically pure life, they can go through out their day and not have to wonder what negative things will happen to them. a religion is brilightly crafted. and anyone who reads the bible usually is turned tward the faith so i seriously dout you read have read the bible it linx up to almost any every historic event through out that time
Yes, that's my point... religion WAS needed in the old days because humanity was young and had much to explain (basically everything)... but we live in much different times. People these days are starting to become much more skeptical, and religions are being widely discarded. We can stand on our own two feet now. I don't believe in any afterlife or soul, but I'm not afraid of dying...
And yeah I started to read the bible. I didn't need to read the whole thing to see the fucking lies and contradictions. They begin quite early and prevail throughout!
And yeah I started to read the bible. I didn't need to read the whole thing to see the fucking lies and contradictions. They begin quite early and prevail throughout!
ukstin
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