easily offended people

[judas69]

I know certain people, as I'm sure you all do, who appear to go out of their way to be offended by just about everything. They walk knowingly into R-Rated movies ..only to run out sweating, dismayed and short of breath having just seen a bare breast! To these people, you can't file rape charges ..so put the phone down!

They are bewildered the dictionary contains words like, "fuck", "slut", "vagina" ( and not .. "emo". ..ok, bad joke. )

More generally, these types and their obsession with censorship and politically correctness is fine as I see it, I guess, so long as (1) I don't have to hear it, and (2) they don't try and force their close-minded ideals on others.

Sadly, neither of which is the case.

I was playing counter-strike the other day and someone happened to spray a photo of a topless woman. One 15 year old quickly responded, "My Mom said I can't look at boobs!" .. it was funny though, since the the guy who sprayed the photo chased this kid around the map spraying the boobs all around him.

The point in mentioning this example is for (1) humour of course, (2) to say nudity itself is not pornography, (3) boobs don't kill people, people kill people and (4) females seem to be the ones most angered about all of this. I should also mention that violence and gore was oddly more than a-okay for her child, but not a pair of breasts. Heck, I've seen people die on the local news! Makes zero sense to me...

Oh, and if you were wondering, the boy did survive the brief boob exposure.

Some advice ...

Can't stand Howard Stern? We can't stand you! (ok that was mean, I'm sorry )
Nudity offends you? Shower in the dark.
Television and media cross the line? You should become Amish.
Atheists too logical? I hear Christianity is recruiting.
Music lyrics too explicit? Try Raffi.. (though he did sing octopuses garden ..and we all know what that was about)
Vegan? Close your eyes when I eat my burger.. I don't want to hear it.

Is this photo obscene?

Take this thread where you may .. though I am interested in your opinions.

Oh, and if you're wondering where that good looking woman in my signature went ..well, let me just say that one of these peeps sent me a PM earlier today to tell me how she didn't like it ... but instead of putting me on ignore, she would rather have no one else see the photo, despite multiple people telling me how much they liked it.

Is intolerance what we want in society?

P.S. I am aware of the irony of this thread... :Smug:

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

First i totaly agree with everthing you said

second this reminds me of a bunch of hilarious stuff

there was this woman who paid for cable then gets herself on tv bithching about how the stuff on cable was more offensive than the stuff she could see for free on network tv and how she keeps on paying for cable cuz she's waiting for all the cable channels to "get over the fad" and stop showing stuff that's offensive and all i could think was "you're totaly wasting you're fucking money, you dumb-ass bitch"

the other thing that i thought was really fucking hillarious was the ridiculously huge number of parents that took their little kids (and i mean like kids who still watch Barney and teletubbies) to see the south park movie the first fucking day it was in theaters.
first
the movie is rated R so you should have known there was gonna be something in there that was gonna be innapropriate for little baby children in that movie
second
the movie was based on a tv show so you should have sat down to watch a few episodes of the show before walking into the fucking theater to watch the movie
third
if your kids are so young that they can't walk into a theater all by themselves then you should have seen the movie by yourself before you carry your little todler into the theater to see it
so all those people who bitched about their little kids watching a movie that was innapropiate for a kindergardener were really stupid idiots for taking their kindergarden-aged kids to see that fucking movie to begin with

also i eat a lot of meat and i totaly laughed my fucking ass off when i first heard that national news report about how there was a freakishly huge percentage of vegans that were getting really fucking sick from nutrient deficiency cuz their bodies weren't getting any of the nutrients that are found in meat
the thing that made it so fucking funny was it included film of picketing vegetarians protesting the opening of a new meat proccessing plant

 

[TheAssMaster]

I was playing counter-strike the other day and someone happened to spray a photo of a topless woman.

Did the pages get stuck together ?

 

[Norsemaiden]

I don't get what you mean about spraying pictures of topless women. Isn't that what the feminists would like to do to cover it up?
What LRD says about idiot parents taking their kids to see South Park is so right. There are plenty of episodes of the Simpsons that are too adult for preteens as well, but I bet their parents don't know or possibly care. Its like the (English) ten year old 50cent fans who I have heard chatting together about how they want to be drug dealers and pimps just like him when they're older. And their parents don't know what the computer games they give them as presents are all about, playing at pimping/drug pushing, even though it has an 18 certificate. Charming little children! How sweet!
(I just realised - the spraying WAS censorship! Silly mistake!)

 

[judas69]

Feminists are against female sexual objectification ..

And to clarify .. in counter-strike the game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike:_Source) you have an option to spray images (like spray paint) on the walls all around the map for others to see. A good majority of these images are sexually oriented.

 

[AlphaTemplar]

Whether the image is pornographic depends on context. In the context of this forum post, no it isn't, because its primary purpose is to provoke an interesting discussion on moral values, censorship, etc. The same picture in Playboy is pornographic, because its primary purpose is erotica.

I don't get whats so horrible about breasts and sex. Sex is a natural part of life, something that most people will do in their lives (probably more of a problem if you don't have sex your whole life) - what's wrong with depicting it on television? What we shouldn't let kids watch is glorified violence and drug usage, porn that objectifies women and depicts sex as purely material, etc...stuff we don't want kids doing.

On a bit of a digression, isn't a movie like Apocalypse Now or Saving Private Ryan - that depicts war and violence as gritty, ugly and unpleasant - less of a bad influence than a movie like Star Wars or Spiderman that shows war and violence as fun and glory?

 

[Vital Remains]

HEY YOU CANT POST THAT!! My mommy said i cant look at boobs.... and im 20 and not living at home. Just kidding. i say do what the fuck where ya want and dont think two shits about offending someone because the chances are that youll never see that person again.

 

[Silver Incubus]

People like to blame everyone but themselves and those people try and ruin any fun for anyone because they have their head to far up their own ass they don't stop and realize how everything they say reaks of shit.

 

[judas69]

Whether the image is pornographic depends on context. In the context of this forum post, no it isn't, because its primary purpose is to provoke an interesting discussion on moral values, censorship, etc. The same picture in Playboy is pornographic, because its primary purpose is erotica.

This sounds good .. but it's just like saying,

"A given work is Art only when it is displayed in an Art Gallery (or some Artistic outlet) ".

We should be able to tell what Pornography is by looking at the image ..and not where it happens to be (though I do agree where the piece is ..does sway ones interpretation, but not the photographers original intention however".

We know not all nudity is pornographic (ie, africans in a national geographic magazine, or breast feeding) .. and if that's the case, and the intention is not to invoke a sexual response, why is suntanning nude on the beach illegal, if not Pornographic?

On the flipside, can there be Pornographic imagery ..without nudity?
For example, could photos of females in extremely tight clothing, make-up, tounge rings licking their lips - all done to invoke a sexual response - be seen as Pornographic? And what about kissing in public, or performing non-nude implied sexual acts on primetime Television?

Do those countries who are much more open to nudity have higher levels of rape and sexual crime?

Why do we try to surpress our human sexuality so much, if infact that's what we are doing? Insecurities?

 

[Crimson Velvet]

No, decency. Sex is something private.

 

[judas69]

So what you're saying is .. take sex out of everything?

Can you imagine watching a James Bond movie where he only shakes hands with the hot blonde!

 

[Crimson Velvet]

No, of course not! I don't mind topless women in movies and such. Not at all, in fact. But there should be limits to how far we should integrate sex and sexuality in our daily entertainment.

 

[judas69]

Ah ok ..

Well, sex sells and exploiting this truth is big business.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Sex, is natural, sexuality is natural, and repressing that causes people to become even more fucked up. Repressing such a natural instinct can be very hazardous in my opinion. Thats why I think Christians are crazy about this whole issue. The taboo behind nudity and sexuality pisses me off so much. If parents don't want their kids watching that stuff, then they should talk to them and tell them why, instead of make everyone else suffer for their laziness and irresponsibility for their children.

 

[Vital Remains]

So what you're saying is .. take sex out of everything?

Can you imagine watching a James Bond movie where he only shakes hands with the hot blonde!

now thats more my style. jk

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Is this photo obscene?

no
and here's why not
1st
you can't see her below the waist so you don't really know for sure that there's someone actually going down on her (which really would be obscene)

2nd
her facial expresion would appear totaly non-sexual if she was fully clothed

i've seen a lot of porn and i've found that there's basicaly 2 types of women's facial expresions
(A)there's the woman that gets comepletely naked and then has a facial expresion making her appear to be oblivious to the existance of clothing

(B) the women who can do a facial expresion that can give a guy a hard-on when she's still fully clothed

 

[Dän]

Its only obscene depending on how its viewed and who its viewed by, and in what context

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Its only obscene depending on how its viewed and who its viewed by, and in what context

and also whether or not the veiwer believes obcene = bad

 

[judas69]

Someone answer a few of the questions I posed in post #9.

I guess I've concluded there is no solid objective definition of Pornography. It's all pretty subjective and contextually based .. much like Art.

Maybe next we should explore .. Feminism!

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

This sounds good .. but it's just like saying,

"A given work is Art only when it is displayed in an Art Gallery (or some Artistic outlet) ".

We should be able to tell what Pornography is by looking at the image ..and not where it happens to be (though I do agree where the piece is ..does sway ones interpretation, but not the photographers original intention however".

We know not all nudity is pornographic (ie, africans in a national geographic magazine, or breast feeding) .. and if that's the case, and the intention is not to invoke a sexual response, why is suntanning nude on the beach illegal, if not Pornographic?

On the flipside, can there be Pornographic imagery ..without nudity?
For example, could photos of females in extremely tight clothing, make-up, tounge rings licking their lips - all done to invoke a sexual response - be seen as Pornographic? And what about kissing in public, or performing non-nude implied sexual acts on primetime Television?

Do those countries who are much more open to nudity have higher levels of rape and sexual crime?

Why do we try to surpress our human sexuality so much, if infact that's what we are doing? Insecurities?

first i dont know who was being quoted in the first setence

2nd the exact same image can be interpreted as both sexual and non sexual depending on whether it's in a museum or a porn mag

3rd sun taning nude is illegal because of christianity if you go to one of those places where no one has ever been exposed to judeo-christianity you will be looking at people who are constantly publicly comepletely butt-naked durring hot part of the year

4th pornography without nudity has been constantly brodcasted on network tv ever since the first appearance of christina applegate's character "kelly bundy" on the fox network show "married with children"

5th the countries that are more open about nudity actually have much much LOWER LEVELS OF RAPE AND SEXUAL CRIME!!!

lastly the supresion of sexuality is once again religion