Goth

[Darkhammer]

ahah..yeah

 

[batastrophe]

I would say Opeth appeals to fans of gothic stories and novels, gothic art, dark or supernatural horror. However, I don't think Opeth appeals to goth-rock fans.

The similarities between Opeth/death-metal and goth are few and far between. The only things I can think of are maybe the emotions and dark lyrics both Opeth and goth bands convey.

Music, itself, is a completely different story. Goth is very simple most* of the time. It concentrates on a creepy theme (and I hate to say it: image) rather than more complicated music. My best friend is still into deathrock but I've grown out of it. I asked her to listen to Opeth, and she said "Opeth. Hah. One step up from numetal." That is the reaction I get with most goth fans: rather hostile to anything that isn't made with synths or a 4/4 time signature.

* I do hate to generalize goth so much. I still listen to some, genuinely good goth bands (Specimen, Ausgang, 45 grave). I just can't take the superficiality of it, or the new wave of goth bands: Bloody Dead and Sexy, Tragic Black, Astrovamps. Complete and utter nonsense.

Alright. Well, that's my input.

 

[vampyrouss]

That is the reaction I get with most goth fans: rather hostile to anything that isn't made with synths or a 4/4 time signature.

But it works both ways too, as some people I know won't even consider listening to something if its even remotely simple. I don't care if its simple or complicated or goth or metal or rap as long as its good.

 

[Jibrille]

A whole generation of women bought into the "goth" fashion trend (or at least their version of) in the 90's of the back of the success of film such as "The Craft". Black eye make up, long finger nails, Long black coats and boots, my sister did when she was about 14. Now all these 14 year old girls (and some lads) have grown up, and some started forming bands. So rather than a person who listens to The Cure and Bauhaus, goths today are just people who wear a lot of long black clothes and make up, and probably listen really bad rock and metal. Sad really.

You're mixing up Wiccan and Goth. They don't go hand in hand.

 

[soundave]

Opeth's lyrics (esp. MAYH and GR) are "gothic" in the same way that the tales of Edgar Allan Poe are.

Just thought I'd mention that, given my avatar...

 

[T-Rat]

yes, they are quite Gothic, in perhaps a literary sense; esp. GR as a whole and many other individual songs...
but clearly not "Goth" in the sense of the image thing, like a bunch of faggy vampire wanna-bes.

 

[fizz6207]

and he was trying to label them, as he asked if you would consider opeth to be "slightly goth;" ie, "would you label them as such."

so metal_wrath, fizz, you guys = owned.

I understand that the terms original meanings, I see your point that when it was said "by its true definition" then perhaps in a sense the threadstarter was wrong...but my point was that the term encompasses several meanings...ie, more than one in todays culture. Not too long ago, if you were to say you felt gay, you would have meant happy. Today, the terms general meaning is homosexual, although it encompasses other meanings as well, thats the nature of the english language (the one we are speaking right?)

It is standard practice for english speaking persons to interpret one anothers use of language based on the context and principle of the conversation. In this case, we are discussing a metal band, so it is sort of assumable we arent talking about architecture, but genre conventions.

As for the last comment, I decided to fight fire with fire

"slight (comparative: slighter, superlative: slightest)

slight - small, weak or gentle; not decidedly marked; not forcible; inconsiderable; unimportant; insignificant; not severe; weak; gentle"

Im sorry but that doesnt quite match up to your interpretation of "would you label them as such." The original question ("I was wondering if anyone would consider Opeth to be slightly goth?") doesnt at all imply labelling the band under a distinct genre, but discussing its influences.

So fizz = not quite so owned.

 

[Powers]

You're mixing up Wiccan and Goth. They don't go hand in hand.

Absaloutly true yes. Like i said, it was their version of it. Tied more to the dark spooky atmosephere of goth than anything else.

 

[soundave]

yes, they are quite Gothic, in perhaps a literary sense; esp. GR as a whole and many other individual songs...
but clearly not "Goth" in the sense of the image thing, like a bunch of faggy vampire wanna-bes.

Agreed.

 

[Misseriah]

You guys made this thread retarded again.

 

[soundave]

It was retarded with post #1, and it never really strayed from that, I'm afraid.

 

[Misseriah]

tr00

 

[StephenSLR]

And does anyone listen to goth metal.

I don't mind Gothic Metal after all I play for a Gothic Doom band.

Let me know what you think

http://www.lycanthia.com/listen.html

s

 

[metal_wrath]

I don't mind Gothic Metal after all I play for a Gothic Doom band.

Let me know what you think

http://www.lycanthia.com/listen.html

s

Sick band \m/ I like the fact you have violin, I also like the vocals. very talented

 

[Ayr]

"Opeth. Hah. One step up from numetal."

HAH!

 

[FRUGiHOYi]

i like moonspell

 

[chomps]

Gayest thread ever.

 

[dcat]

^ haha

something to liven it up abit 'tee hee' see below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4905898.stm

 

[entanglement]

I was a little kid. I asked my friend what Goth is. She said 'Dress black, wear rings, stay depressed.."

 

[Don Corleone]

wow what a shit thread.