kill crips and tards?

[The Ozzman]

That's because Churchill don't fuck around!

 

[The Heartbreak Kid]

Churchill is one of the World's Greats.

 

[Matt]

I think it is ok for people to abort ANY fetus and I think it would probably be easier and better for everyone to abort fetuses that are deformed before they are born. If they do end up being born, one could argue that just euthanizing severely deformed people would be ok, but that brings up the slippery slope as well as the fact that that baby, although deformed, has now become a human and cannot yet give consent to the euthanasia. All in all a hairy moral situation.

I endorse the 3 month rule. Isn't 3 months when it's heart starts beating?

 

[genocide roach]

do we know when these abnormalities form?
~gR~

 

[Zephyrus]

does natural selection really work in this case? there certainly isnt a lack of disabled people.

Natural selection only works in an every-man-for-himself environment, like in the wild, where other animals don't help each other out and let them breed.

 

[CAIRATH]

Altruism is actually quite a normal part of natural selection. But mankind has definitely transcended that level to the point where you really can no longer claim that we abide the natural selection principal. We keep the weaker (handicapped, retarded or just plain ol' stupid) members of our species alive and allow them to breed.

We're the only species on the planet that is pissing in their own gene pool.

 

[AchrisK]

...or human life is different from animal life, and has an intrinsic value that is understood by most humans.

 

[CAIRATH]

That would be the Judeo-Christian values, yes.

I don't agree with that notion at all.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

!= a person

LOL

 

[The Ozzman]

A fetus isn't a human. It is a parasite that feeds off a human. It is a potential being.

 

[AchrisK]

That would be the Judeo-Christian values, yes.

I don't agree with that notion at all.

It's what comes naturally to humans. Do you deny?

 

[AchrisK]

A fetus isn't a human. It is a parasite that feeds off a human. It is a potential being.

That's one way to put it, if you want to feel better about killing it.

 

[mutantllama]

We should not kill them, but instead raise them and have them fight each other in an arena for our own amusement.

Yeah!

 

[cookiecutter]

You believe in evolution, so you know the power of observe and infer. How often will a fertilized human egg end up producing a human?

Potentiality is not a valid argument. By that argument you could say that every time a male masturbates, he is killing millions of potential humans and that a female flushes a human down the toilet every month. Even a fertilized egg doesn't always become a human. We should treat fetuses as what they are, not what they have a chance of becoming.

...or human life is different from animal life, and has an intrinsic value that is understood by most humans.

Humanity has value to humans because we assign more value to ourselves. This makes sense evolution wise as we have to look out for ourselves in order for our species to survive. Humanity is more valuable to us than other animals but not because of some intrinsic worth. To an objective observer we are just another species, albeit a highly successful one.

I'd like to make my stance on abortion clear right now to avoid confusion: I think it should be safe, legal and rare.

As for my stance on eugenics, while it has the possibility of reducing defects, what do we risk by employing? One needs only look at the eugenics experiments in America and Nazi Germany to see it's successes and failures, and I'm not sure I can stomach the failures.

 

[Alasdhair]

The way I see it is that we had this wonderful thing called natural selection. And this has allowed us to be the best race on the plannet.

But you see, we have turned it off. And thats when humanity will get fucked... So yes, I agree with killing of "crips and tards" as it has been so eloquently put.

 

[AchrisK]

Potentiality is not a valid argument. By that argument you could say that every time a male masturbates, he is killing millions of potential humans and that a female flushes a human down the toilet every month. Even a fertilized egg doesn't always become a human. We should treat fetuses as what they are, not what they have a chance of becoming.

I said a fertilized egg. Don't go putting dumb arguments in my mouth. What else does a fertilized human egg become besides a human?

I'd like to make my stance on abortion clear right now to avoid confusion: I think it should be safe, legal and rare.

That's cool, and I can respect that.

I'd like to clarify my stance on abortion: I believe it is killing a human. I also know that life can become very complicated and I do not stand to condemn anyone who feels they have reasons that make that choice seem inevitable. I would, however, like to condemn selfish people who use it as a form of birth control and a way to erase their own irresponsibility. I have no power to condemn them, and given the chance I have no idea what I would do, but it just pisses me off!

 

[AchrisK]

[...]

But you see, we have turned it off. And thats when humanity will get fucked... So yes, I agree with killing of "crips and tards" as it has been so eloquently put.

Then you better run and hide!

 

[cookiecutter]

I said a fertilized egg. Don't go putting dumb arguments in my mouth. What else does a fertilized human egg become besides a human?

What does a sperm do besides fertilize the egg which in turn become human? I am intentionally bringing up absurd points because that is what the argument from potentiality suggests and why I think it is wrong.

I also agree that having an abortion as birth control is rather distasteful but I don't think anyone has sex and says "don't worry about the condom, I'll just have an abortion later". Abortions are so that people can fix accidents and mistakes and make their lives better. If sexual education was better in America (ie none of that bullshit "abstinence only") then abortion would be even less needed.

 

[Mort Divine]

The way I see it is that we had this wonderful thing called natural selection. And this has allowed us to be the best race on the plannet.

But you see, we have turned it off. And thats when humanity will get fucked... So yes, I agree with killing of "crips and tards" as it has been so eloquently put.

How arrogant.

 

[rfe]

I have nothing against Abortion, provided that it's done before the end of the First Trimester.

I would not abort any child. I don't pretend to be able to imagine how hard it would make my life. This is just based on my own view of life having intrinsic value, and of babys being alive and fully human at conception.

Not exactly, considering the fact that at conception the baby has yet to a heart, a brain, and lungs (as well as any facial features). Therefore, it's not exactly human until all of these organs develop and activate. It's basically a mass of cells until then. When the First Trimester ends, though, these organs will have developed (or finish developing) and begin their use. After that, then I would agree that abortion would be inappropriate.