Darth Kur said:
Don't sound so fucking smug or your pretend god might just smite you.
I saved the following text from some one else's post, can't recall who, but it contains a lot of different references on the pagan roots of x-tianity.
And even if none influenced the dust ridden buggerers that started this abortion you call a religion it doesn't lend to it's merit one damn bit. And seriously, what does a belief system from a foreign land have in common with any of you? Unless, of coarse you descended or are located in the middle east region. How can an alien cultures thought process of millennia ago to boot have anything to do American or European culture? And please don't come back with any lame bible quote of "the message" being first for the jews then the gentile. That's just a way of broadening the systems control base.
No intention to sound smug, especially since I didn't bring up the old and tired complaint of Christianity being based on ancient religions. This belief is in common with me because I find it relevant for life today and it is my faith. Don't ask such a ridiculous question when you surely knew the answer already. Just as you believe we're all blind and stupid, I believe many, including yourself, are greatly misinformed about all these "religion-destroying" rumors. Now let's have a look at some of these ones below...
Darth Kur said:
Jesus' divine birth is based upon Danae, Melanippe, Auge, Attis, Antiope, Dionysus, Zoroaster.
Firstly, this is a very generic statement, but I assume by "divine birth" it means virgin conception. Each of those listed have multiple accounts for their births, and most are shady in several areas. The biggest arguement against those is that they were not conceived of a virgin. A virgin is someone who hasn't had sex, and for a virgin to conceive would mean she is still a virgin afterwards. In the Bible it says Mary was simply "found to be with child" by the Holy Spirit, but in many of the other cases, Zeus or another deity has sexual intercourse with the virgin. That negates practically all of those examples then, also throwing out Buddha, Krishna, and several others.
Darth Kur said:
His walking on water is based on Poseidon riding his chariot over water and also on Osiris. His turning water to wine is based on Dionysius changing water to wine.
Closest thing I heard about Poseidon is that he gave Euphemus gift of running across water, with only his toes touching. Also, Osiris never walked on water, don't believe all the sourceless text you read online or in books. Horus died in the water when he was fished out by the crocodile who brought him back to Isis, but thats the closest thing. Dionysus chaning water to wine is not present in the legends, and many secular scholars would probably also love to know where people pull that from. Even so, some of the sources on Dionysus come well after the Gospels.
Darth Kur said:
His resurrection is based on Attis and Mithras, who both died and got resurrected 3 days later...Around the same time as Easter.
Totally agree with the Easter and Christmas dates being pagan, but none of us actually believe those dates are the legitimate dates. They are merely representative days for celebration and remembrance, nothing more. Mithras was never recorded dying or being buried in the Mithraic scriptures/texts we have, and I've read several books saying there is strangely enough - no death of Mithras we have found. Attis also was not seen as a savior, and the closest we get is with Damascius writing, who live from 480-550 AD. Still, he only wrote of a dream he had that Attis was the "salvation from Hades".
Darth Kur said:
Every year at first minute of December 25th the temple of Mithras was lit with candles, priests in in white garments celebrated the birth of the Son of God and boys burned incense. Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was known as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God."
I dispelled the virgin mother part before, and it's more fitting to say Mithras was born OF a cave, since he formed out of rock. Then that pretty much leaves December 25th, which is admittedly a pagan holiday that is not found anywhere in the Bible, and those names. Mithra was mostly seen as a mediator between the good and evil gods of Zoroaster, and none of the Mithraic studies record him having any of those titles, other than the tale of Mithras having a lion for a companion, but thats still a stretch to Christ being the "Lion of Judah".
Darth Kur said:
Heracles(also known as Hercules) was born to a mortal mother and was Son of Zeus. He was sacrificed on Spring Equinox(also known as Easter or Spring Solstice).
Good for Heracles, but so what? This has least relevance, because it doesn't imply she was a virgin mother, and Easter, as I've already said, is not something Christianity holds as undeniable truth, because none of us believe it is the actual date.
Darth Kur said:
Osiris was betrayed by Typhon, crucified between two thieves on the 17th day of the month of Athyr. Buried in a tomb from which he arose on the third day (19th Athyr) and was resurrected.
Osiris' suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by His disciples on the Vernal Equinox -- Easter.
Osiris was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave / manger, with his birth announced by a star and attended by three wise men.
Some scholars connect Osiris with Orion, but we do not know anything about wise men or a star in the east. As noted before, Osiris was murdered, torn to pieces, cast into water, and fished out by the crocodile who returned his pieces to Isis to be re-assembled. Like Frankenstein. I would not exactly call that a resurrection similar to Christ's, nor does it fit with any of the other "dying/rising gods" of mythology. I've heard nothing about his disciples, but only of "the 72" enemies who plotted against him with Set and arranged his demise.
You can post more copycat myths if you want to, but I won't bother to attempt and refute any more of them. All I've tried to do with this post is show that you need to balance the sources you take from. I don't believe much of what I read unless I find a good deal of support for it and agreement from multiple parties, and this goes for religious and anti-religious propaganda.