RomanBirddog
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Laeth MacLaurie said:And the po-mo's have shown that science itself is logically contradictory and can claim no special ability to produce knowledge. Your point?
First, that's a mischaracterization of what postmodernists claim. Second, does anyone actually take postmodernism seriously? Hardly.
Analytical philosophy (indeed, the entire Anglo-American liberal tradition) stakes a claim to producing objective knowledge, but what it actually produces are populist collections of semantic "gotchas" while ignoring its own assumptions about the nature of truth, knowledge and the possibility of objective analysis. Not to mention the hypocrisy of attacking the "pretentiousness" of traditional philosophical discourse while making ludicrous claims about the "proper" aesthetic approach to philosophy (which apparently means writing to the tastes of the uneducated and grotesquely simplifying all issues so the proles can grasp the concepts presented).
Have you read anything post-Quine? A huge percentage of analytic philosophers have given up on objective knowledge quite some time ago...
And you've hit upon why a rigid adherence to formal logic doesn't produce anything useful: it doesn't deal with the content of arguments, but with how they are structured. It matters not a whit to the logical analyst whether a proposition is true, but rather whether it is presented in the "proper" format. The Analytical movement spent all of its time playing "gotcha" with the past (and with contemporary rivals) and never got around to you know, presenting any ideas of its own (beyond its implicit support of Anglo-American neoliberalism).
There are two parts to the study of arguments: syntax and semantics. Content and form. You can't study arguments without studying both.
Logic has its uses, but it is one tool of many, not the paramount or only tool as the Anglo-American tradition would have you believe. The end product of such thinking is the technocratic utilitarianism that is destroying the world as we speak.
Like hyperbole much? I know several of the world's most respected logicians personally, and even they don't worship it as much as you claim.
I have no problem with the content of the logic, just with the assumption that logic tells you anything beyond whether an argument's structure conforms to the rules of formal logic. It doesn't get at the questions of truth or function, which seem to me to have far more value. There's a reason that the Analytics have tended to focus on mathematics and theories of science while ignoring metaphysical and ethical questions (at least within the context of their formal work, Russell comes to mind as one who certainly addressed ethical questions, at least in a practical sense, but he did so explicitly outside the purview of his philosophical work); metaphysical and ethical questions don't respond well to logical analysis. Oh, certainly they'll occasionally weigh in to criticize the arguments of those not so attached to rigid logical constructions, but they produce no positive contributions of their own to these fields.
I've yet to meet one person informed in logic who makes that assumption. And if you're saying that the "Analytics" have ignored ethical and metaphysical questions, what of Lewis, Plantinga, Kaplan, Simons, Fine, Foot, Rachels, and the others in the long, long line of contemporary analytic philosophers studying ethics and metaphysics?
Intellectual chops? This from someone whose arguments thus far have consisted of appeals to unspecified authority, the presentation of personal theories as "historical fact" and personal attacks?
I've not presented one personal theory. Anything I've said has corroboration. I've yet to see your evidence, and anything on your part beyond conjecture. Appeals to unspecificed authority? I appeal to the history of philosophy, and not the revisionist history you tend to favor. Personal attacks? Thus far, they've been less attacks and more observations. Harsh observations, but you've done nothing but deserve them.
Literacy criticism?
Is what Derrida's work amounts to, yes. Ask some literacy critics.