Nevermore Vs..........iced Earth
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neal
wizard in black
hah its from that snl cartoon thing. ace and gary the ambiguously gay duo. he pats the guy on the ass an says 'good work, gary.' or it might be the other way around now that i think of it...
-neal
-neal
ah....hmmmm.....hey!
I seem to remember that, although I don't watch SNL much.I don't know why, I think its the news broadcasting part...it bores the shit out of me.
I seem to remember that, although I don't watch SNL much.I don't know why, I think its the news broadcasting part...it bores the shit out of me.
neal
wizard in black
haha actually i think the news part is usually one of the more consistantly funny parts. if you're watching re-runs though i can understand taht, some of the people that used to do it wernt good. and of course every time there's an ace and gary cartoon its fucking hilarious.
-neal
-neal
Another reason I dont watch SNL is that its on at like 12:30, Im much too tired for that shit.
*sniff sniff*
I smell weed.
*sniff sniff*
I smell weed.
neal
wizard in black
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******JON******As you may already know the title for the next I.E. is "The Glorious Burden." Song titles are as follows
"The Reckoning (Don't Tread On Me)"
"Hollow Man"
"And The Anger Flows"
"Honesty and the Damage Done",
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"
"When the Eagle Cries"
"Gettysburg",
"Red Badge of Courage"
"My Life"
"Tale of a Sale"
"Solitude II"
"The Glorious Burden"
"The Opportunist"
"The Haunting"
"This Virus Called Man"
"A Gift Or A Curse?"
"Ignorance is Bliss"
"Deception in the Desert". *******JON********
Anyway, these sound promising...
"And The Anger Flows"
"Honesty and the Damage Done"
"The Haunting"
"This Virus Called Man"
"Ignorance is Bliss"
"Deception in the Desert"
Reckoning would seem interesting w/o the tread on me part.
I don't know about all those patriotic BULLSHIT songs.I might not be able to get into that.The concept seems pretty stupid too.Some kid sells his soul to be a rock star.....ugh.He made it a 3 part thing.I think Jon has found a "confort zone".An album with a bunch of songs, then a little concept trilogy thing at the end.I still consider SWTWC my least fav IE album. so...
"The Reckoning (Don't Tread On Me)"
"Hollow Man"
"And The Anger Flows"
"Honesty and the Damage Done",
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"
"When the Eagle Cries"
"Gettysburg",
"Red Badge of Courage"
"My Life"
"Tale of a Sale"
"Solitude II"
"The Glorious Burden"
"The Opportunist"
"The Haunting"
"This Virus Called Man"
"A Gift Or A Curse?"
"Ignorance is Bliss"
"Deception in the Desert". *******JON********
Anyway, these sound promising...
"And The Anger Flows"
"Honesty and the Damage Done"
"The Haunting"
"This Virus Called Man"
"Ignorance is Bliss"
"Deception in the Desert"
Reckoning would seem interesting w/o the tread on me part.
I don't know about all those patriotic BULLSHIT songs.I might not be able to get into that.The concept seems pretty stupid too.Some kid sells his soul to be a rock star.....ugh.He made it a 3 part thing.I think Jon has found a "confort zone".An album with a bunch of songs, then a little concept trilogy thing at the end.I still consider SWTWC my least fav IE album. so...
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"
"When the Eagle Cries"
"Gettysburg",
"Red Badge of Courage"
Horrible song titles, but they do tell exactly what the song is going to be about. I hope this cd turns out better than the song titles, because I am going to buy it. But "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" come on.
"When the Eagle Cries"
"Gettysburg",
"Red Badge of Courage"
Horrible song titles, but they do tell exactly what the song is going to be about. I hope this cd turns out better than the song titles, because I am going to buy it. But "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" come on.
neal
wizard in black
same here LOM.....same here. If this new one turns out like HS, im finished with IE.....i think. hahha
JOn must think its the IN thing to write songs about a fucking country. FUck that shit. There is more than enough songs lying about how cool the USA government is. All this being my opinion you know.
JOn must think its the IN thing to write songs about a fucking country. FUck that shit. There is more than enough songs lying about how cool the USA government is. All this being my opinion you know.
neal
wizard in black
im already finished with them. its all been downhill since the begining. jon cant dig himself out of the shithole hes dug.
-neal
-neal
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
Yeah, the music better be better than the lyrics. He said it isn't going to sound anything like HS though, although I do like HS.
well, if the songs are about WAR, then I won't mind.
When I say that, I mean the way Iron Maiden write war songs, that shit FUCKING RULES.THAT is the shit right there.
When I say that, I mean the way Iron Maiden write war songs, that shit FUCKING RULES.THAT is the shit right there.
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
IE was good, but their vocalist sucked. Stormrider was their best cd, if only they had barlow then, but that is what days of purgatory is for. Burnt Offerings was their second best. Dark Saga, well, most of the songs sound way too much alike. SWTWC, well, I don't have that one yet, haha. AiA is kick ass. HS, my first of theirs, but way below par.
This post is from the dumb ass pyrus who took it upone himself, his selfish self that is, to make a thread of his own, the content is very much fitting for this trhead, since he was shitting out his mouth over what has been said within the walls of teh NEVERMORE VS IE thread.
Read and enjoy.
Pyrus
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Posts: 8
A Few Thoughts On the NVR vs. IE Thread
Wow, that was pretty depressing to read...I think I got to page 10 before closing it. A lot of people had good points, but they were buried beneath an endless flow of childish insults from ledmag and neal, to name the worst perpetrators. Those two guys, my friends, are why Neil Gregie keeps his finger on the delete button at Written On the Walls.
Enough excessive partisanship. I just want to make the point that the whole purpose of a band board is for people to discuss the band, and have you guys ever considered that randomly insulting people may cost Nevermore a few fans? Just a thought.
And as long as I'm talking about this, here's my personal essay on the two bands.
Vocals: Warrel is damn good, there's no denying that, but he has no clean voice...everything sounds scratchy. Vaguely reminiscient of that whiny shit from CKouRhnne or however the fuck you spell it; just, y'know, a good singer. Matt Barlow is one of the top vocalists in metal today; few can match his power. Warrel may be a bit more versatile in some ways, but you can tell that he hurt his voice back in the Sanctuary days. Matt just has so much force and emotion, and more range as well. IE 1, NVR 0
Rhythm Guitar: Again, Loomis is in no way a shitty guitarist, but Jon has chops the likes of which I haven't heard since the glory days of Messrs. Hetfield and Mustaine. "My Own Savior," "Burnt Offerings," "When the Night Falls," "Angel's Holocaust"...the list goes on. The rhythm guitar is the most important element in a song, and while Jeff is more than adequate, Schaffer's riffage is above and beyond today's metal. IE 2, NVR 0
Lead Guitar: Oh, no contest here. Jeff is absolutely BLISTERING when he solos, whereas Larry is more of a melody player - which Loomis does damn well too. Maybe it's because Jon isn't too into the concept of long solos - they just don't really fit in his songs. Whatever the cause, Nevermore wins this round handily. IE 2, NVR 1
Bass: Really kind of a push here...sometimes I can't tell what I'm looking for. Some of IE's best bass playing was on Horror Show, but since Stevie dicked over the band to go back to Testament (BAY AREA THRASH!!! \m/), they've gone back to the solid and über-tatooed James Macdonough. Sheppard rocks hardcore, and has done so for four-and-a-half albums. I guess I'm gonna have to give this one to Nevermore. IE 2, NVR 2
Drums: Richard Christy is GODLIKE...only Scott Travis, Nicko McBrain, and Lars Ulrich during the 80's and early 90's (or REALLY motivated now) can hope to surpass him. However, he's only been with the band for one album; Van Williams has been playing monster grooves with Nevermore for the past seven years or so. As somebody mentioned, Richie is more of a speed player against Van's flowing, jazz-influenced(?) beats, so it's hard to compare. But I'll go with the Seattle boys on this one. IE 2, NVR 3
Lyrics: Probably gonna catch heat for this, but how many times can you say "Drugs are not as bad as murder!" before it gets old? I know I'm generalizing, but I like Jon's varied, emotional approach more than the stuff Warrel writes. Even though Horror Show was a bit weighty on the cheese factor for some songs, the moral allegories of "Frankenstein" and "Dracula" were pretty kickass. And as a fiction writer, I'm very into the lyrical aspect of stuff like Night Of the Stormrider and the Something Wicked trilogy. That being said, Dreaming Neon Black drips awesomeness like a gravy-soaked turkey (mmm, turkey), and I'd love to see Dane write that novel he's talked about. In any case, Iced Earth by inches. IE 3, NVR 3
Songwriting: An oft-overlooked aspect of music - structure and timing. Where are the solos? Do you play the intro for four measures, or eight? When does the vocalist break in with his spine-chilling scream? Iced Earth is the clear winner here - Jon's approach to running the band may raise some hackles among you damn Commies , but he writes perfectly structured songs with wicked riffs. Take "The Hunter" as an example. Nevermore has a bad habit of "musical masturbation" - that is, going into displays of mind-blowing talent that serve no real purpose. Prog bands are infamous for this. They've gotten a lot better with DHIADW, but PoE had some REALLY bad moments. IE 4, NVR 3
Live: Haven't seen either of them...I was having trouble in school last time IE came to San Francisco. Thankfully, I transferred to an arts school...FUCK THE JOCKOCRACY!!
So there you have it: Iced Earth has been conclusively PROVEN to be better. Therefore, if you disagree, you are WRONG. Your opinion is INVALID and you are a LAME FAG WHO SUX WARELL DANE'S DICK A ND SHULD FUCK OFFF!!!!!!!!11
I'd say "Don't flame me; only intelligent responses," but I have a feeling it'll do no good. So go ahead and flame me; it'll make me feel better about myself, and I'd be glad for an ego boost right now.
-Wishing I had put this much effort into my last essay in American Lit,
Pyrus
"She Wolf," Megadeth, Cryptic Writings (hail the almighty riff)
Read and enjoy.
Pyrus
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 8
A Few Thoughts On the NVR vs. IE Thread
Wow, that was pretty depressing to read...I think I got to page 10 before closing it. A lot of people had good points, but they were buried beneath an endless flow of childish insults from ledmag and neal, to name the worst perpetrators. Those two guys, my friends, are why Neil Gregie keeps his finger on the delete button at Written On the Walls.
Enough excessive partisanship. I just want to make the point that the whole purpose of a band board is for people to discuss the band, and have you guys ever considered that randomly insulting people may cost Nevermore a few fans? Just a thought.
And as long as I'm talking about this, here's my personal essay on the two bands.
Vocals: Warrel is damn good, there's no denying that, but he has no clean voice...everything sounds scratchy. Vaguely reminiscient of that whiny shit from CKouRhnne or however the fuck you spell it; just, y'know, a good singer. Matt Barlow is one of the top vocalists in metal today; few can match his power. Warrel may be a bit more versatile in some ways, but you can tell that he hurt his voice back in the Sanctuary days. Matt just has so much force and emotion, and more range as well. IE 1, NVR 0
Rhythm Guitar: Again, Loomis is in no way a shitty guitarist, but Jon has chops the likes of which I haven't heard since the glory days of Messrs. Hetfield and Mustaine. "My Own Savior," "Burnt Offerings," "When the Night Falls," "Angel's Holocaust"...the list goes on. The rhythm guitar is the most important element in a song, and while Jeff is more than adequate, Schaffer's riffage is above and beyond today's metal. IE 2, NVR 0
Lead Guitar: Oh, no contest here. Jeff is absolutely BLISTERING when he solos, whereas Larry is more of a melody player - which Loomis does damn well too. Maybe it's because Jon isn't too into the concept of long solos - they just don't really fit in his songs. Whatever the cause, Nevermore wins this round handily. IE 2, NVR 1
Bass: Really kind of a push here...sometimes I can't tell what I'm looking for. Some of IE's best bass playing was on Horror Show, but since Stevie dicked over the band to go back to Testament (BAY AREA THRASH!!! \m/), they've gone back to the solid and über-tatooed James Macdonough. Sheppard rocks hardcore, and has done so for four-and-a-half albums. I guess I'm gonna have to give this one to Nevermore. IE 2, NVR 2
Drums: Richard Christy is GODLIKE...only Scott Travis, Nicko McBrain, and Lars Ulrich during the 80's and early 90's (or REALLY motivated now) can hope to surpass him. However, he's only been with the band for one album; Van Williams has been playing monster grooves with Nevermore for the past seven years or so. As somebody mentioned, Richie is more of a speed player against Van's flowing, jazz-influenced(?) beats, so it's hard to compare. But I'll go with the Seattle boys on this one. IE 2, NVR 3
Lyrics: Probably gonna catch heat for this, but how many times can you say "Drugs are not as bad as murder!" before it gets old? I know I'm generalizing, but I like Jon's varied, emotional approach more than the stuff Warrel writes. Even though Horror Show was a bit weighty on the cheese factor for some songs, the moral allegories of "Frankenstein" and "Dracula" were pretty kickass. And as a fiction writer, I'm very into the lyrical aspect of stuff like Night Of the Stormrider and the Something Wicked trilogy. That being said, Dreaming Neon Black drips awesomeness like a gravy-soaked turkey (mmm, turkey), and I'd love to see Dane write that novel he's talked about. In any case, Iced Earth by inches. IE 3, NVR 3
Songwriting: An oft-overlooked aspect of music - structure and timing. Where are the solos? Do you play the intro for four measures, or eight? When does the vocalist break in with his spine-chilling scream? Iced Earth is the clear winner here - Jon's approach to running the band may raise some hackles among you damn Commies , but he writes perfectly structured songs with wicked riffs. Take "The Hunter" as an example. Nevermore has a bad habit of "musical masturbation" - that is, going into displays of mind-blowing talent that serve no real purpose. Prog bands are infamous for this. They've gotten a lot better with DHIADW, but PoE had some REALLY bad moments. IE 4, NVR 3
Live: Haven't seen either of them...I was having trouble in school last time IE came to San Francisco. Thankfully, I transferred to an arts school...FUCK THE JOCKOCRACY!!
So there you have it: Iced Earth has been conclusively PROVEN to be better. Therefore, if you disagree, you are WRONG. Your opinion is INVALID and you are a LAME FAG WHO SUX WARELL DANE'S DICK A ND SHULD FUCK OFFF!!!!!!!!11
I'd say "Don't flame me; only intelligent responses," but I have a feeling it'll do no good. So go ahead and flame me; it'll make me feel better about myself, and I'd be glad for an ego boost right now.
-Wishing I had put this much effort into my last essay in American Lit,
Pyrus
"She Wolf," Megadeth, Cryptic Writings (hail the almighty riff)
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