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I was born on Söder, but I've lived in Nacka all my life.
Currently at latitude 59.291667 and longitude 18.252778.
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I was born on Söder, but I've lived in Nacka all my life.
Currently at latitude 59.291667 and longitude 18.252778.
Einherjar86
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Damn it, I'm not going to be here anymore. I'm moving in with my girlfriend, who is currently the breadwinner of our relationship. Sorry dude, that would be awesome! And I never got to meet up with Chris my whole time I was out here. We tried a couple times to coordinate, but one of us always couldn't make it.
If for some reason my plans change so that I'm still here I'll let you know.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
So I just got up and paced around my house for about 45 minutes lecturing to an imaginary audience my views on reality. It felt so awesome. I'm going mad and I love it.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
I spent a couple minutes cursing myself for not recording myself the whole time. All I know is that what I said I already had in my mind. It was just the first time I could really synthesize it in speech.
For the problem is that by putting things into speech, especially recorded speech or the written word, you are freezing it into language, and that is already contrary to reality since reality is always in a state of flux. Language is our feeble attempt to impose order onto chaos.
For the problem is that by putting things into speech, especially recorded speech or the written word, you are freezing it into language, and that is already contrary to reality since reality is always in a state of flux. Language is our feeble attempt to impose order onto chaos.
Einherjar86
Active Member
Order onto chaos, I take you to mean.
Have you ever read Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian? It's a central theme of that text.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Fixed. Dammit.
I read Machiavelli and Nietzsche to tell me about what I think. Is that McCarthy another of your fantasy novels?
I read Machiavelli and Nietzsche to tell me about what I think. Is that McCarthy another of your fantasy novels?
Einherjar86
Active Member
No.It's my favorite novel. It's a fictional account of historical events that took place on the Texas-Mexico border in the 19th century. Basically it's about the Glanton Gang, a scalping party commissioned by the Mexican government to hunt and kill natives. Eventually they just begin killing whomever they wish.
The novel is fundamentally concerned with what I like to call frontier anxiety (a term coined by a friend of mine), the inherent violence of expansionism, not only physically against people and nature, but against the understanding of the world. Judge Holden (whom Harold Bloom calls the most terrifying figure in all American literature) keeps a ledger in which he documents objects and animals. His process of linguistic representation is exactly what you describe; an imposition of order onto that which can't really be contained by scientific classification methods. After he records the objects, he destroys them. It's a fantastic book and has the best conclusion I've ever read.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
The notion that nature can be calculated, inevitably leads to the conclusion that humans too can be reduced to basic mechanical parts.
Einherjar86
Active Member
Essentially, yes. Which is why most psychoanalysts actually believe they can "fix" their patients.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Sounds like strict Determinism to me. Sure every entity has an identity and therefore an action but the fact that were not inanimate objects and or animals ( biology & environment) and are volitional beings conscious of our identity destroys that theory. Sounds like a fun read tho.
Man I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.
Do you think in terms of chaos zeph? or order as an illusion?
Man I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.
Do you think in terms of chaos zeph? or order as an illusion?
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
There are laws of physics (post-big-bang whatever existed adapted to some order) and nature that evolved to their current state, and the physical laws will remain, but all of reality is subject to change....and something so insignificant as human civilization, values, language all the more so.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Yes, and reality will always be orderly. All I'm saying is that humans can never be mechanized.
Einherjar86
Active Member
Blood Meridian? I wouldn't call it deterministic. I'd call it anti-humanist, to an extent. And are we really volitional beings who are conscious of our identity?
Now I want to suggest Foucault's The Order of Things. It sounds exactly like what you're talking about, as far epistemological revolutions in the human sciences.
iek claims that nature is nothing more than a pointless series of catastrophes. What I think he's intends by this is that the belief that nature is working toward some kind of ultimate, teleological resting state is misleading. We should think of nature not as something progressing through time, but as something that just is in flux; that's its "nature" (no pun intended). In that sense, I don't know if I would call it orderly.
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Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Basically, Heraclitus was right and philosophy could have stopped there.
I've heard of Foucault and his developments on Nietzsche's theories on power principle, which I identify with very personally. I should pursue further.
I've heard of Foucault and his developments on Nietzsche's theories on power principle, which I identify with very personally. I should pursue further.
