NFL 2010

That was pretty inconsequential. I even think that the ball had not been downed yet but everyone acted like the play was over. Still, I'm baffled that anyone would come away from that game thinking the Bears were a dirty or whiny team. Green Bay's WRs begged for pass interference multiple times just like basically every team does. There also wasn't any excessive shoving on the kneeldowns at the end of the game. The teams don't like each other, but it's not like they were fighting the whole game, and I don't think either really has any goons or thugs. I didn't have a lot of problems with the officiating, other than the bad intentional grounding call. And this is the same ref that GB would not shut up about after week 3.

Local media is ragging on the team for deferring on the kickoff, but I would have also. I would always defer. Being down a touchdown should not change what a team does on offense on their first possession. I feel like starting the second half with the ball is a far greater advantage. I don't have stats for that, but it seems intuitively better. Yet some people insist on getting the ball first regardless of the team's strengths. What do you guys think?


I didn't hear anyone bitching about refs from the first game in packers land, the only mention I've read was from a singular poster on here. Maybe I missed the 'fuss'. And I still think your karma comment is rather short sighted and baseless.

I agree on the deciding to kick off first, especially if your team has a strong offense. If youre able to extend momentum with a second half entrance while already having the lead, its always big. If you're behind its a security net to "reset" and get back in a game.
 
Local media is ragging on the team for deferring on the kickoff, but I would have also. I would always defer. Being down a touchdown should not change what a team does on offense on their first possession. I feel like starting the second half with the ball is a far greater advantage. I don't have stats for that, but it seems intuitively better. Yet some people insist on getting the ball first regardless of the team's strengths. What do you guys think?

I don't know what kind of statistics back up what preference, but I know in Madden I defer every time I can.
 
I know the Colts always elect to receive so they can get off to a fast start, but it does seem like most teams choose to defer. I recall reading something a while back that told me statistically it doesn't matter either way as far as winning percentage.
 
The Steelers will probably win but I'm hoping the Packers will kick their asses. They can't let Rothisbeaster run around like the Jets let him run around. Sack that fucker and injure his ass!!!!
 
The Bills, Ravens, and Jets have already sacked and injured Roethlisberger, and it didn't work, so I don't really mind about that at all. People seem to think that getting Roethlisberger on the ground is the key to beating the Steelers when it's obviously not. He takes a lot of sacks and then he converts 3rd and 19s and 3rd and 24s. The key to beating the Steelers is to get an early lead and then play tight man coverage and keep contain on the edges so that Roethlisberger can't scramble when things break down.
 
I'm not worried about Rothisbeaster at all. If anyone should be worried it's Aron Rodgers. He's going to have to think lightning quick,and move like a wild cat to defeat that monsterous Steeler defense. Green Bay could tear Rothisbeasters head off for all I care as long as the Packers win I'm happy.
 
The fact that big-dickhead Ben can actually throw on a roll out effectively and scores with his feet...amazes me still. The guy is a physical anomaly.

and yes KD...the Steelers typically don't matchup well with the spread O. They certainly didn't have to worry about the Jets doing this.

Not that it matters much and its still theraputic for me to mention...but it pains me even more to see two teams in the SB that THE PATRIOTS DEFEATED! And they beat all final four for that matter... destroying 3 of them.:cry::yell::cry::yell:
 
And yet the Patriots lost to the Browns. The Steelers lost only to playoff teams: The Ravens, the Saints, the Patriots, and the Jets. The Steelers already avenged two of those losses, and the other two were avenged for them, one by the team to whom's loss they just avenged.

Roethlisberger is indeed sneakily athletic for his size. He worked during his suspension on his footwork as well, in addition to shortening his release. The offense should only improve next year with the return of injured veteran linemen (and most likely a new lineman through the draft in the first two rounds, ideally a RG), the development of their three very young wide receivers, and Roethlisberger going through a full season without pause.

The defense, on the other hand, is not getting younger. I believe that Ziggy Hood may have cemented his status as the starting left defensive end, with Aaron Smith playing as a reserve for another year or two, and Brett Keisel looks to have at least another 2 years at full capacity (considering it was years before he became a starter). On the other hand, the replacement for Casey Hampton would be a nice find in the next 2 drafts. He is under contract for another two years, and then he'll most likely retire. Depth on the line is an issue, however, as their quality depth is very aged, with Chris Hoke being 35 I believe and Nick Eason being no young pup either. At linebacker, the only real issue for the next few years will be James Farrior. He's already 36. There's no way he's starting 3 years from now, and that's being very generous. He had a superb, bounce-back year and played at a consistently high level, but, like Ray Lewis, it's damn near time to call it a day. There is no true replacement for him. It looks like their plan is to slide Lawrence Timmons over to Farrior's spot and put Larry Foote back in his old role that Timmons now possesses. Harrison is under contract for several more years, and both Timmons and Woodley are just entering the prime of their respective careers. Meanwhile, they have the aforementioned Foot and Keyaron Fox as reserves in the ILB spot, with two very promising young rookies at OLB in Jason Worilds and Stevenson Sylvester. In the secondary, Polamalu is just turning 30. For how many more years can he compete at an All-Pro level? Ryan Clark just signed a new contract, which I believe is 3 years, but he is already on his 3rd contract, which for most starters usually means is their last. Will they retain Ike Taylor, the closest thing they have to a shutdown corner, who is entering free agency? I believe they have no choice, because behind him is Bryant McFadden, William Gay, Anthony Madison, and Crezdon Butler. McFadden is a sufficient zone second corner, although obviously LeBeau doesn't trust him enough to play at the line. William Gay is a very serviceable nickel back, but he should never be more than that. What they have in the rookie Butler remains to be seen, although he flashed his potential in training camp and the preseason.



But before that is relevant, there's the matter of the Super Bowl, of course...which most frequenters of this thread have little vested interest in. With the Steelers being early underdogs in the betting lines, this is nothing but billboard fodder in the locker room. And what's more than that, the Steelers embrace and thrive in the underdog role. The best thing the media can do for the Steelers is to doubt them, because there is no team better than they are at capitalizing on the us-versus-them mentality due to the closeness of their locker room. On a personal level, however, I think that the point spread is absurd and believe it is the result of a combination of short-term memory and drinking the Kool Aid. Let's just get this out there: Aaron Rodgers is not as good of a football player as Ben Roethlisberger. There is a rolodex of excuses that Roethlisberger's detractors always seem to have at the ready that they use to eliminate him from the discussion of being among the top 5 quarterbacks in the league (let alone the top 3). I personally rank them 3 and 4 behind Manning and Brady, with Brees behind them. A lot of people subscribe wholeheartedly to the notion that the best quarterbacks are the ones that play in the quarterback driven systems, and that is really misguided for obvious reasons. Just because a quarterback has a solid running game and a strong defense doesn't mean that a quarterback without a running game or a strong defense is better, it simply means that he is more relied upon. That is an organizational issue, and good teams have balance. Good teams don't put 90% of the responsibility of winning on their quarterback.

And neither team in this Super Bowl can be accused of being that, as the two best defenses in the league are going to meet head on. There is still a ton of time between now and the game to comment on it though, so I'll leave it at that for now.
 
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It's surprising how hated Cutler is nationally, both between current players and media, and how willing people were to make judgments on him with no facts whatsoever about his injury. Usually that kind of vitriol is reserved for guys who do a lot of yapping on and off the field (which he doesn't; I would say he's far less expressive than the average player is when celebrating). He has gotten in the face of refs before for not calling pass interference/defensive holding, and I would think other players would respect a guy who lobbies for his teammates. Also, various things that "analysts" like Michael Strahan and Mark Schlereth and others said were just lazy, biased, and uninformed at best, and awful, irresponsible, unethical journalism at worst. I think ESPN and FOX shouldn't be so willing to let the facts or lack of facts get in the way of sound bites. The Bears also deserve some blame for not getting word out to sideline reporters that Cutler's status was out rather than questionable. It's odd to me how players who are bad guys on and off the field don't get hammered by the media nearly as much. I would have liked to have seen more apologies issued today. That's the last I want to write about that. Time to focus now on putting an offensive line together, and shedding some of the dead weight on the team (Todd Collins, Chester Taylor, Brandon Manumaleuseless).
 
yes. They have to put some serious thought into that O-line.
And they should try to find a big receiver.
I'd like to see them with an actual fullback. but I doubt Martz will use him.
And they would be smart to get a really good quarterback coach to make Cutler work on his mechanics.
 
I think this year that the Bears should just draft best available (non-QB) talent. They're getting old on defense, and no one is irreplaceable anywhere else. I think they'll take either the best available OL guy, or a DT. There have been a lot of 2nd and 3rd rounders who have never seen the field, and that's going to come back to bite them real soon.

I wasn't upset about trading two number ones and a three for Cutler because their track record of drafting has not been that good lately. I prefer to have proven commodities. I think teams overvalue draft picks in general. It is really hard to think too far ahead though, considering the NFL labor issues. One area where the Bears were smart was forking over big (non-guaranteed) money to guys (Cutler, Peppers, Taylor, Manumaleuna) now rather than wait to see what the new CBA is like.

My preliminary Super Bowl analysis has the Steelers ahead. I like their experience, and I think they are coached well. The AFC was the stronger conference too. The Steelers health at OL is a concern, but I assume the two weeks will help. Pittsburgh's kicker worries me, but sometimes that doesn't matter, like the NFC championship where neither team attempted a FG.

What was really surprising about Green Bay's offensive performance last week was that the Bears really do not stray too far from the same defense all game long. They were playing the same Tampa-2 for the whole game, the difference being that they just started to win some individual battles on the line and tackle better, and suddenly GB did nothing with the ball. And after Rodgers got hit in the head he was significantly less accurate. Also could be that GB got conservative and let their guard down once Collins came in (justifiably so). I think Pittsburgh can rush the passer a lot better than Chicago did, and it's not like Rodgers doesn't make a mistake now and then. It was kind of ridiculous how everyone was sucking his dick and calling him 3rd best QB in the league after beating Atlanta. His rating was about 55 on Sunday. (Oddly enough, Hanie had the best passer rating that game. I will even forgive that final pick, as it was 4th down, and the guy had to try to make a play. Not any worse than an incompletion in that case.) Chicago more or less runs the same defense most plays, and runs it really well, but I think the variety the Steelers will show could be as effective. If they also hold GB to 14 points on offense, they win. I think Pittsburgh's fast receivers can get open. Hester could have had two TDs in the last game if not for poorly thrown balls. Mike Williams is even more likely to get separation deep. I think Roethlisberger is smart and patient enough to find the holes in the GB defense underneath, but I haven't seen Mendenhall catch a lot of passes. A guy like Forte (10 for 90 yards) will eat them up, but I don't think the Steelers have that kind of RB.

I expect a close game, since neither team has shown much of a killer instinct lately. I wouldn't be surprised if the trailing team has a chance to come back in the final two minutes.
 
But before that is relevant, there's the matter of the Super Bowl, of course...which most frequenters of this thread have little vested interest in. With the Steelers being early underdogs in the betting lines, this is nothing but billboard fodder in the locker room. And what's more than that, the Steelers embrace and thrive in the underdog role. The best thing the media can do for the Steelers is to doubt them, because there is no team better than they are at capitalizing on the us-versus-them mentality due to the closeness of their locker room.

I don't understand this comment at all. When was the last time the Steelers were ever the underdog in a playoff game, except for this Super Bowl obviously? Besides, the spread Vegas put on this game (2.5) basically means it's a coinflip on who wins the game, so really, using the underdog schtick with a 2.5 point spread is just ridiculous.

The last time I ever remember the Steelers being major underdogs going into a postseason game was against the Colts in 05, but in my opinion that was a complete smokescreen because I knew that Steelers team was dangerous. Once they got past the Colts I knew they had a great chance of making it to the Super Bowl and win it, especially against a mediocre Seahawks team.

So having said that, where did you come up with the idea that the Steelers are the best underdog team ever, as if that even makes sense? They're a good team and a good franchise, they're always going to be in the hunt and always have a chance against any team, which to me completely nullifies the favorite/underdog role. If the Steelers are really motivated because of the point spread Vegas puts on their games, then they're a group of morons, much akin to the Patriots in 2007 when they were apparently uber motivated for being outed as cheaters and used that "nobody believes in us, us against the world man!!" mentality.
 
I really don't think the Steelers are looking at themselves as much of an underdog, if as one at all. The vegas spread means zilch, and most analysts are either siding with the Steelers early on, or saying that the vegas spread will motivate them to the win. If they're feeling anything other than confident I'd be really surprised.

The Packer fan base is also overall giving the team respect / fear(aside from the everyday fans that say little other than "WERE GOING TO TAKE THEM DOWN!" but there will always be those people).

I'm personally excited for the game (obviously as a Packer fan) and I think it will be hard fought, and either team can pull it out (not just because any team can always win) but my logical side is leaning more towards a Steelers victory. Either way, I'm more than content as a fan of how this season ended up.