NFL 2010

The Steelers always look at themselves as underdogs (and I never said anything about the playoffs specifically). Not underdogs to themselves, but underdogs in terms of the perception of them by the media and fans. Obviously you guys know nothing about the way the team internally operates. The Steelers are a team that regularly exceed low expectations and fail to live up to high expectations. In 2004 they were ranked 26 in the preseason, 22 to start the season. By week 10 they were ranked number 1 and didn't lose a game since week 2 until the AFC championship game against the Patriots, during the timeframe in which they were known to be cheating, of course. In 2005, they went into the year ranked 5th. By week 14 they fell to 13. In 2006, they were ranked 2 and gradually fell to 24 by week 13. Last year, they were the number 1 team entering the season, only to finish barely over .500. This year, they opened week one at 18. They were supposed to finish around .500 and place third in the division. Now they're in the Super Bowl.

Apparently you don't realize this, but what players say to the media and what players say in the locker room don't always add up. Publicly, it means nothing to no Steeler player what anybody says in the locker room. Inside the locker room, it is added motivation. Rarely does it actually come out publicly (it actually has this year more than most years, with Tomlin getting in a couple of nice jabs in some press conferences earlier in the year), but when it does, it's usually from a teammate backing up another, like when Ike Taylor recently said something to the effect that Roethlisberger will tell you that it doesn't mean anything, but that he knows it motivates Ben when the media tells him that he's not among the elite quarterbacks. I say that the Steelers thrive in the us-versus-them mindset better than any other team because I see the way that they perform when they are in that mentality, so I base it on what I see. As I said before, I speculate that this is due to the closeness of the locker room, a locker room that I believe is somewhat unique in this era of the league, especially since the advent of free agency. There's a reason that the Steelers brought back former locker room leaders (and there's a reason that they wanted to come back as well) such as Antwaan Randle El, Larry Foote, Byron Leftwich, and Bryant McFadden this year. There's a reason that Flozell Adams has embraced his Steelers teammates more than he ever did his teammates in Dallas. It's because, from the Rooney family and head coach Mike Tomlin down to practice squad players like Tyler Grisham, the Steelers have the closest knit, familial locker room in the league that is built on leadership and longevity and is able to quickly integrate new pieces into the family without diminishing the locker room. In turn, they fight for their teammates more than any other team when their backs are against the wall because it's more of a slight when their teammates are attacked.

The team is so close that they have synchronized their martial arts.

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This picture was taken immediately after LaMarr Woodley recorded his 10th career postseason sack in his 6th career postseason game, btw, which is the fastest of all time. He also has the longest streak of postseason games with a sack, with 6.
 
talk about the Jets antics at the end of games...wtf is this!?:lol:

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Nothing wrong with a bit of celebration. He was saying "job well done" in Morse Code with his hips.

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Anyway, here's an article about Flozell Adams that I believe helps to shine a bit of light on what I'd said earlier about the nature of the Steelers' locker room:

Taylor: Steelers' Flozell Adams shows effort we didn't always see in Dallas

PITTSBURGH — After Antonio Brown stumbled out of bounds at the end of his game-clinching catch-and-run on third down, tackle Flozell Adams sprinted about 10 yards to celebrate with the rookie receiver.

Adams pumped his right fist the entire way.

When he arrived, Adams greeted Brown with a hug — and a head butt.

Finally, Adams knew he was going to the Super Bowl

In 189 games spanning 12 seasons with the Cowboys, Adams celebrated one playoff victory. In one season with Pittsburgh, he already has won two postseason games.

For now, the sweetest is Pittsburgh’s 24-19 win Sunday night over the New York Jets in the AFC Championship Game.

As the final seconds ticked away, Adams could barely contain his excitement. Anyone wearing black and gold received a hug, including running back Rashard Mendenhall or tight end Heath Miller.

When the game ended and his teammates congregated near midfield to celebrate, Adams walked toward the end zone alone with his thoughts.

He thought about all of the games and practices since he first put on a pair of shoulder pads. He thought about the good times, like being drafted 38th overall by the Cowboys in 1998 and winning 13 games in 2007, earning the NFC’s top seed.

He thought about the five Pro Bowls he has played in. And he thought about the bruises, sprains and assorted injuries that have stolen a little of his athleticism each year.

“When I started my career, I figured it would only be a matter of time before I played in the Super Bowl,” he said. “I’ve been waiting my whole career for this, and it feels great.”

Adams helped Pittsburgh dominate the line of scrimmage in the first half, when the Steelers surged to a 24-0 lead.

In the first quarter, the Steelers ran behind Adams, playing right tackle, 11 times for 40 yards. In the second quarter, the Steelers ran behind Adams four times for 41 yards, including a 35-yard run by Mendenhall, who finished with 121 yards on 27 carries.

Adams bullied defensive end Mike DeVito and linebackers David Harris and Calvin Pace. Adams sealed the corner numerous times on sweeps around right end. He made blocks on the second level against linebackers, showing agility and effort we didn’t always see in his last few seasons in Dallas.

Realistically, it was time for Adams to leave Dallas.

The false starts. The sacks. The average performances.

At 35, Jerry Jones didn’t want to pay Adams the $7.5 million he was scheduled to earn in 2010, so the Cowboys released him. Besides, Jerry figured Doug Free or Alex Barron could handle left tackle at a fraction of the cost.

“I knew it was going to happen one day,” Adams said of being released. “I just wanted to move on. I didn’t have any sour feelings.

“You know me — I don’t care what people think as long as my teammates, coaches and family think I’m doing a good job.”

Adams sat for nearly three months until Willie Colon suffered a season-ending injury in late July, prompting the Steelers to sign Adams to a two-year, $7.5 million deal that paid him $2.5 million this season.

Adams, who has started every game this season, is better suited for right tackle because he doesn’t face an elite pass rusher most weeks, and the position accentuates his run-blocking ability.

This season, the Steelers rushed for a 4.8-yard average on 144 carries when they ran behind Adams and a 3.6 average on 357 carries on all other runs.

After the win, Adams soaked in every aspect of the atmosphere.

First, he posed for serious pictures with the AFC trophy in the locker room before taking some silly photographs. He snapped pictures of the other offensive linemen with his cell phone, then posed for a group shot with the other linemen.

Then, Adams grabbed the AFC Championship trophy and pretended to sneak out a side door with it. Adams returned, handing the silver trophy to another teammate, a huge smile on his face.
 
i think he is using his penis for morse code?

edit: comments regarding underdog put in new post here
underdogs in terms of the perception of them by the media and fans.
Whaaat...how can you say this?? The only perception I've always known the Steelers to be...would be tough, respected, an overall winning organization. Of course maybe an underdog on any given sunday betting odds...but thats not the point here? And if the Steelers use that logic for motivation or actually believe in your said perception?...I wouldn't think its necessary or an overall fit for that organization.

And don't buy into most of the pre-season picks, rankings etc. If I remember correctly, SI's Peter King picked the Steelers to go to the SB. He is not the gospel but he is a highly respected writer who knows his stuff. I can understand his pick because the Steelers are well coached, tough as hell defensively and on both lines. Thats the old fashion way...the football wars are still won in the trenches.
 
Whaaat...how can you say this?? The only perception I've always known the Steelers to be...would be tough, respected, an overall winning organization. Of course maybe an underdog on any given sunday betting odds...but thats not the point here? And if the Steelers use that logic for motivation or actually believe in your said perception?...I wouldn't think its necessary or an overall fit for that organization.

And don't buy into most of the pre-season picks, rankings etc. If I remember correctly, SI's Peter King picked the Steelers to go to the SB. He is not the gospel but he is a highly respected writer who knows his stuff. I can understand his pick because the Steelers are well coached, tough as hell defensively and on both lines. Thats the old fashion way...the wars are won in the trenches.

Considering it was my point, I believe it is up to me what the point is here, and my point is, believe it or not, the Steelers are not favored to win every single game that they play. And when they're not, they use that internally as motivation. A lot of people were picking against the Steelers this season because Roethlisberger wasn't going to be around the first four games, Willie Colon and Limas Sweed were put on IR before training camp even started, they traded away Santonio Holmes, and they all figured Roethlisberger would be rusty and not play at a playoff level. And these were all legitimate critiques of the team. But that doesn't mean they didn't use these bullet points as extra firepower to rally the troops. A good "they don't believe we can do it, let's go prove to them that they're full of shit" speech is always effective. The Steelers use an underdog mindset all the time to motivate themselves, as evidenced by recent comments made by Mike Wallace and Ike Taylor.

And I know Peter King picked the Steelers to beat the Packers in the Super Bowl, but before the playoffs he changed his pick to the Patriots. And he was basically the only one in the media who pretty much even had them in the playoffs. He also has Pittsburgh ties, not the least being his wife being a native of the city.
 
Well, thats fine if they want to use that underdog mentallity for motivation...it won't be the first time.

My point is I think your looking into it or believing it too much. Sure, maybe there are hints of it from more recent Steeler teams that you are hearing or aware of? But we are talking about one of the greatest sports franchises ever. I was a huge Steeler fan growing up as a kid...well before I knew who the Patriots even were?...wich back then wasn't much. Yes, I'm old enough to remember the great teams of the 70's...the Steel Curtain defense, Bradshaw, Harris, Swan, Stallworth, Blier and co...they owned me! They laid the groundwork for what is the Steelers. Players today who put on that jersey have an honor to live up to, a history that they are reminded of constantly, expectation of winning etc. This I believe is the overall motivation and factor...not some bulletin board / underdog mentality.
 
I still don't see how the Steelers are seen as underdogs, nearly everyone in the media is picking them, and have had them in their top picks. But its pretty pointless to go back and forth on.
 
The Steelers underdogs my ass. They are tied up with the Cowboys for most Superbowls. It's time to see the Steelers get hammered by a new champion, and Green Bay fits that occupation nicely.
 
Well, thats fine if they want to use that underdog mentallity for motivation...it won't be the first time.

My point is I think your looking into it or believing it too much. Sure, maybe there are hints of it from more recent Steeler teams that you are hearing or aware of? But we are talking about one of the greatest sports franchises ever. I was a huge Steeler fan growing up as a kid...well before I knew who the Patriots even were?...wich back then wasn't much. Yes, I'm old enough to remember the great teams of the 70's...the Steel Curtain defense, Bradshaw, Harris, Swan, Stallworth, Blier and co...they owned me! They laid the groundwork for what is the Steelers. Players today who put on that jersey have an honor to live up to, a history that they are reminded of constantly, expectation of winning etc. This I believe is the overall motivation and factor...not some bulletin board / underdog mentality.

The historical legacy is the entire point. The Steelers don't believe they themselves are the underdogs. They expect to win every game that they take the field, no matter which players are on the field. The point, again, is about the team's perception of the world's perception of them. And yes, it's a selective perception. Why in the world would a team focus on columns written about them winning? The Packers are anywhere between 2 to 3 point favorites on all of the betting sites. Do the Steelers think the Packers are 3 points better than them? No. Is this data going to be put up on a bulletin board? Is Mike Tomlin going to tell his troops that the public out there thinks the Steelers aren't good enough to beat a 6th seed from a weaker conference? Is James Farrior going to remind the locker room that the team wasn't even supposed to be in the playoffs this year? You bet your ass all those things will happen.

I still don't see how the Steelers are seen as underdogs, nearly everyone in the media is picking them, and have had them in their top picks. But its pretty pointless to go back and forth on.

The Steelers underdogs my ass. They are tied up with the Cowboys for most Superbowls. It's time to see the Steelers get hammered by a new champion, and Green Bay fits that occupation nicely.

Whether or not the perception of them being underdogs is even real or not is irrelevant, because it is fostered within the locker room to begin with. Anything that they catch wind of that puts the team down and says they can't or they won't win will be highlighted and targeted and used as motivation. This is all I'm saying, and it's pretty simple. Besides, I don't know what media you're keeping track of, but there's plenty of support for the Packers. Creating a versus the world mentality is what the Steelers do to keep the team focused and close to one another and more willing to step up when others go down. All teams do this. My point was just that, based on my knowledge, the Steelers thrive in this role better.

And they're tied with the Cowboys for most Super Bowl appearances. They have more Super Bowl wins. They also have the same amount of playoff wins, the most playoff home wins, the most conference championship appearances, and the highest postseason winning percentage, in addition to the most division titles. And they're the only 6th seed to ever win the Super Bowl (so far).

Sidebar: Everybody makes a big deal about Flacco and Sanchez and their road playoff records. Roethlisberger is 3-0 on the road and 2-0 on neutral sites. It's not his fault that 7 of his 12 postseason games were at home.
 
Anyway, here's an article about Flozell Adams that I believe helps to shine a bit of light on what I'd said earlier about the nature of the Steelers' locker room:

The article just proves Dallas cut him for good reason, that he didn't feel like playing well when he didn't think he was going to the Super Bowl. Quality character right there.
 
The Packers are anywhere between 2 to 3 point favorites on all of the betting sites. Do the Steelers think the Packers are 3 points better than them? No. Is this data going to be put up on a bulletin board? Is Mike Tomlin going to tell his troops that the public out there thinks the Steelers aren't good enough to beat a 6th seed from a weaker conference? Is James Farrior going to remind the locker room that the team wasn't even supposed to be in the playoffs this year? You bet your ass all those things will happen.

Again, I think you are looking into it a bit too much. The betting line is a low number...this is basically an even matchup. And by kickoff the Steelers may well be the favorite for all we know? Vegas will adjust as the public wages...they don't care or necessarily believe that a said team is a favorite when the line is this close.

Mike Tomlin and his players will or would be way to pre-occupied if they read into or worry about the things you mentioned...no way they do this. I'm guessing the only thing they will be focused on is the positive things they have done to earn this title shot and studying and game-planning against the Packers. The only bulletin board material I could see them using for motivation is if a Packer player or coach came out and took shots at the Steelers? Other than this, to hell with point spreads, public perception, rankings, columns etc. ...the stakes are too high for coaches and players to worry about these things imo.

Whats the old saying? As soon as you start reading into perception...writers and fans comments...-you'll soon be sitting with them.
 
Again, I think you are looking into it a bit too much. The betting line is a low number...this is basically an even matchup. And by kickoff the Steelers may well be the favorite for all we know? Vegas will adjust as the public wages...they don't care or necessarily believe that a said team is a favorite when the line is this close.

Mike Tomlin and his players will or would be way to pre-occupied if they read into or worry about the things you mentioned...no way they do this. I'm guessing the only thing they will be focused on is the positive things they have done to earn this title shot and studying and game-planning against the Packers. The only bulletin board material I could see them using for motivation is if a Packer player or coach came out and took shots at the Steelers? Other than this, to hell with point spreads, public perception, rankings, columns etc. ...the stakes are too high for coaches and players to worry about these things imo.

Whats the old saying? As soon as you start reading into perception...writers and fans comments...-you'll soon be sitting with them.

99% of athletes watch ESPN. Pretty much every show on ESPN, from Sports Center to PTI to Around the Horn, has already discussed the Packers being favored over the Steelers on the betting lines. It's now bulletin board material. It's really that simple and really requires no further explanation than that.

Regarding the Flozell Adams article, I think it's safe to say most players didn't give their all for Wade Phillips, Dak. That's really the most reasonable explanation to explain how dramatically different they've played under Jason Garrett, who seemed to me under Phillips to be somewhat of a run-of-the-mill offensive coordinator. I believe there's more to the Adams issue than simply the man's character. He gave that organization 12 years and 5 Pro Bowl seasons and they gave him one postseason win. I really think it does come down to an organizational issue. Look at his performance under Bill Parcells. He made the Pro Bowl 3 out of the 4 years Parcells was his coach. Now he has had another change of scenery and he really likes where he is now, and it shows on the field. Not only did he move to a different city to meet new teammates and have a new line coach, he also changed positions from left tackle to right tackle. Here's an excerpt from another article:

After a lengthy career in Dallas, he essentially started over after signing with the Steelers -- and not just because Adams didn't really know anyone when he arrived at St. Vincent College in Latrobe.

Steelers offensive line coach Sean Kugler has likened the switch Adams made to someone writing with their left hand for years, then having to do so with their right hand.

Adams went along with the position change. But he didn't embrace it until Leftwich got sacked by Lions defensive end Cliff Avril.

"He just went the wrong way," Leftwich said. "That's what preseason games are for, and we just laughed about it and went on to the next play. We knew there would be some things like that happen, but as you can see he's been playing his butt off at right tackle."

He has gone to extremes just to get on the field.

Take last Saturday.

Having left the AFC divisional playoff game because of flu-like symptoms and vomiting, Adams tried to stagger back onto the field in the fourth quarter after Jonathan Scott, who had moved from left tackle to replace him, went down with an injury.

Adams could barely stand, and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin made sure he didn't re-enter the game.

"That was an ugly scene, but a beautiful one at the same time," Tomlin said. "We appreciate his intentions. His intentions are very pure. This guy wants to win. He wants to be a part of a winner."

Adams, 35, has another year left on his contract, and he said he is not considering retirement.

He wants to finish his career in Pittsburgh and will do so at right tackle, if that is what the Steelers want.

"I'm happy where I am. I'm not just saying that," Adams said. "Wherever I can go, just to participate with this organization, right tackle, left tackle, anything I can do I'm going to do."

Read more: Super Bowl ring would cap career for 'The Hotel' - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_718785.html#ixzz1C72JsHdJ"

To be honest, he's exceeded everybody's expectations and he's played very well and very unselfishly for the Steelers this year. Flozell has turned them into a run right team as well. They have far more success running off tackle to the right than they do through any other hole. And aside from the divisional game in which he tried to come back on the field after Jonathan Scott got injured, during the season, he suffered a high ankle sprain and he played the next week. That says a lot both about his character and about how he feels about his team and his teammates and his desire to win. I'm not sure if he was even flagged 5 times this year either, by the way.
 
And 99% of athletes play Madden NFL with thier freetime.

No explanation is needed. We all know hype / propaganda is out there for all to see...be it fans or Steeler players themselves. And yet when it gets down to professional NFL business, the teams won't give two shits about all that hype shit. And as I said, if they do give two shits, they open up the possibility of being pre-occupied...allowing for disruption towards preparation, game-planning etc. I don't get how you can't understand this?

Anyway, I'll let it go at that. I'm just glad the Jets are not in the SB...cause now I can actually watch it.