Novembers doom any good?

Jasonic said:
Ah. for some reason I thought you told me you went to Shit Feast, errr I mean Maine East.
I know some people who went to Notre Dame, but they are older than you so you probably don't know them.

I think like any high school, drugs were there if you wanted them.

Gang activity was VERY high when I was in high school. I knew a (white) guy who joined the "Latin Kings". His initiation was a severe baseball bat beating. His wounds were a badge of honor to him. It is insane to think that there are kids out there who are that starved for attention that they will do literally anything to feel accepted.

Vito - Thank your parents for keeping you away from Maine East!
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We had "gangs" at Niles West, it was basically all the Assyrians guys who thought they were tough. One kid pushed me into the locker one day, so I grabbed him by the throat and told him to try that again. Let me tell you something, those kids aren't so tough when they are gasping for air haha. I'm actually glad I went to West, I met some of my best friends there. Notre Dame was a different story though lol.
 
Yeah, the whole gang thing is quite scary.
You hear about it and see gang bangers in the burbs, and you kind of laugh it off.
Though when you see someone you know personally the day after they received a baseball bat beating, it is quite different.
Also, almost every year I was in HS, at least one gang banger got shot by a rival member around our school.

The sad thing is these impressionable kids equate their fellow members as family. They don't see long term, only the short term.

One of my better friends is a former gang member. Luckily he wisened up towards the end of high school and removed himself from that BS. Some of the stories he told me were quite horrific.

Wow, this thread has really taken a 360° turn!
 
Most kids look at gang culture and are lured to the "toughness" of it all, as well. What they don't realise is that it is in fact much tougher to stand on your own, and not join some gang or conform to some click. Risking your ass and getting yourself killed or into a shitload of trouble just for the sake of being part of a gang doesn't look smart nor tough, it looks kind of pathetic. Walk alone and be a tough individual, motherfucker. That's what I say.

And yeah much like many of the threads on here, this has gone completely awry but fuck it anyway. lol
 
Actually, there's very little "doom" in what we do anymore. I think the common thread between us and Opeth is that we both come from early Death Metal roots, especially the Euro dm stuff, plus an affinity for progressive and technical music. I'll take Van Der Graaf Generator over Thergothon or some such thing any day of the year!

But I think I get what you're saying.....Opeth focus alot on the technical progressive aspects of their music, whereas we focus more on the melodies which tend towards being melancholy or dark....if that's what is considered "doom" then I see your point. I'm at the point where I think people consider us "doom" because they just automatically presume that's what they're hearing, if that makes any sense.

We'll see how doom we're considered anymore on the next record *wink*
 
I think esp on Pale Haunt, the speed of the music is less "doom" than let's say "Amid" was.

I mean, I can't really listen to a song like "Dark World Burden" and say it is doom.

As far as comparisons to Opeth, I guess maybe vocally due to the clean/growl vocal switches. Musically though, it is different.

Also, as the boys here have stated before, the song structures of the newer material suits a live setting well. Opeth is a great band on record, but I think their biggest fans will admit they are not the most exciting band on the planet. I have seen them 2 times and that is probably enough for a long time (Even though I love them on record).

I really like the direction ND is going.
There are a lot of death or death / doom bands that may be decent on record, but do not translate well live.

I think ND are gearing themselves up to be a live band that is a force to be reckoned with!
 
Jasonic said:
I think esp on Pale Haunt, the speed of the music is less "doom" than let's say "Amid" was.

I mean, I can't really listen to a song like "Dark World Burden" and say it is doom.

As far as comparisons to Opeth, I guess maybe vocally due to the clean/growl vocal switches. Musically though, it is different.

Also, as the boys here have stated before, the song structures of the newer material suits a live setting well. Opeth is a great band on record, but I think their biggest fans will admit they are not the most exciting band on the planet. I have seen them 2 times and that is probably enough for a long time (Even though I love them on record).

I really like the direction ND is going.
There are a lot of death or death / doom bands that may be decent on record, but do not translate well live.

I think ND are gearing themselves up to be a live band that is a force to be reckoned with!
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Agreed with you. For some reason i compare ND more with Candlemass rather than My Dying Bride
 
Hmmm.. interesting comment.
I would compare ND more to MDB vocally than Candlemass.
I guess from a song structure perspective, ND is more like Candlemass than MDB.

Larry, Paul, and Vito
What is it like having us fanboys dissect your music like a frog in high school biology class? :)
 
Jasonic said:
Hmmm.. interesting comment.
I would compare ND more to MDB vocally than Candlemass.
I guess from a song structure perspective, ND is more like Candlemass than MDB.

Larry, Paul, and Vito
What is it like having us fanboys dissect your music like a frog in high school biology class? :)
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I think it's great to see what people say about our music good or bad. I also think it's funny how people compare us musically to MDB all the time. I have maybe heard 2 albums by MDB, and I would not consider them an influence on anything that I write. I think they are a good band, but not something I would listen to alot.
 
I drew my vocal inspirations from Troy Dixler from Sindrome / Devastation, Dwane from Devastation, and to some extent Nick Holmes from early Paradise Lost. That's it, plain and simple. Most of my influence comes from 80's and 90's CHICAGO death metal.
 
I think it's cool that people discuss our music, good or bad. I just think it's funny when people usually don't even come close to the mark on figuring out what our true influences and all that shit are! I've talked about this sort of thing to death before on this forum so I won't go on again, but basically most people never truly figure out or catch onto the true musical influences we have. I will say that Candlemass however have been a much more direct influence on my playing than MDB, that's for sure. So perhaps some of our riffing might resemble Candlemass.

Vocally, I'm sure Paul was influenced a bit by Aaron (MDB), since he was a fan of theirs, but I think both Paul and Aaron draw alot of influence together from people like Tom Warrior, plus even stuff like Peter Murphy or Jim Morrison. Some people say Paul sounds like Aaron Stainthorpe, or that he sounds like Mike Akerfeldt....I think Paul sounds like Paul, honestly. He's got a distinctive sound to his voice that's recognisable as his own. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for that.

I'm more likely to be listening to (and influenced by) Ritchie Blackmore and David Gilmour, frankly. I love 80s and early 90s death metal as well. And in terms of "newer" bands, I like alot of the Finnish darker metal bands, as well as Katatonia and Moonspell. So mix all that together and you get an idea where I'm coming from musically with ND. But I don't think we'll ever manage to escape that "Anathema/MDB/Opeth wannabe" tag, no matter what we say or do. C'est la vie.
 
I like Aarons voice very much, but honestly, liking a band, and being influenced by someone are totally different. The first time I listened to Devastation, and Sindrome, I knew I wanted to recreate the clarity of the vocal style, only heavier. I was singing this way before I heard MDB. Nick Holmes had more of an impact on me. He seemed to capture that mixture of growl and annunciation I was already working towards, so I knew then I would get it to where I wanted it, but even with Nick, I was already on my way to it. I was heavily into the vocal heaviness and deep growls in Grave as well.

Honestly, bands like Sindrome, Devastation, Celtic Frost, and Trouble, and clean vocals come from more of your Jim Morrison style, are the very reason I am in a band, and love it. The general idea that I draw my influences from bands that came out the same time we did is silly. I like them all, but not even close to inspiring. More like peers.
 
the reason i made for the comparison between ND & Candlemass is because like Candlemass or anyother traditional doom metal band have slow songs but not in the same way as the Doom/Death movement which follows more into an extreme degree. I like Candlemass songs , which are the forefathers of doom metal(without denying Black Sabbath) ,have a distinction that their songs are not too slow and use a lot tempo changes and a deppressive atmosphere. The slowness , atmosphere & the dynamism from Novembers Doom are more related to traditional doom rather than the extreme slowness which most Doom/Death bands follows.
 
We certainly have our doomy moments, even on Pale Haunt, and we also have our death metal moments, our softer more accessible moments, so it's hard to place us until one catagory anymore. Amid was easy, we were a doom band, but we've evolved since then. Our music is now heavy, moody, dark, and powerful so it's been easier to just describe it as "dark metal." We've drawn influence from bands and songs that people would freak if they knew. It's when you can be influenced by a band, and NOT have your music obviously reflect it, is when you make an influence work. Take the Pale Haunt CD... There's a whole lot of Coldplay influence on that CD, vocally, and musically, but chances are, people will never pick up on what or where.

Doom metal for me has always been about feeling, not style, and to most people, it's about a specific style.

Take the term "heavy." Most people feel a downtuned distorted guitar, or playing slow is heavy. To me, the new Anathema is heavy as hell! It's heavy in an emotional way, and pounds my much more then say a band like (insert any metal core band here)'s guitar heaviness.

Dark Metal. It's what we want to be known as.
 
Paul,
Good explanation.
I have recently gotten into Katatonia.
I personally find them to be heavy, though many non-Katatonia fans think they are one of the wussiest bands ever.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of close-minded metal fans.

There are death metal fans that cringe at the thought of a clean vocal style.

I myself have opened my mind musically only in the past couple years.

I used to be 100% power and traditional metal guy.

In all honesty, it was a lot of the Gothenburg melodic death metal ,like In Flames, At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, etc that exposed me to death metal.

I never cared too much for Morbid Angel, Death, Carcass, etc.

It was the melody of the Swedish bands that made cookie monster death metal more listenable.

I have known about Novembers Doom for years before I listened to you guys, being from Chicago myself. It wasn't until I heard the "Knowing" where I was like, "whoa! These guys are not run of the mill death or doom"

Sorry for the long winded post.
The bottom line is that I "get it" :)
 
Yes, ND is heavy...I look at "heavy" in music as quite similar as "heavy=weight"....

Most death metal= lifting a 50 lb block 20 times...=1000 total weight
Most doom metal= lifting a 100 lb block 10 times...=1000 total weight
ND's type of dark metal=lifting a 1000 lb block 1 time=1000 total weight

I'm not sure if anyone will come even close to understanding any of this, but it's about substance, feel, creation of visions....I dunno, just me *shrugs*
 
Jasonic said:
Opeth is a great band on record, but I think their biggest fans will admit they are not the most exciting band on the planet. I have seen them 2 times and that is probably enough for a long time (Even though I love them on record).
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:eek:

Not exciting?
Sure, they dont jump around like clowns on stage when they play like slipknot, but hey hey hey, they sure as hell arent boring, which your statement imply. And Mike is a master in handeling the crowd imo, allways funny. The best frontman i have seen so far, I laughed as a motherfucker when i saw them a few months ago. The sound was amazing too.

So i really dont see why the Opeth-fans should agree with you.
 
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