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[waif]

What about our own "Manifest Destiny?" If that wasn't imperialism, than i don't know what is. And what about Hawaii, the Phillipines, Puerto Rico? Speaking of which, right now we have armies on the other side of the world in some godforsaken desert, dropping daisy-cutters on savages wearing bed sheets. Whose interests does this serve, incidentally? Certainly not the average American. We're the ultimate pawns, really - slaves to Israel and treacherous multinational corporations.

Oh, no doubt. Not a fan of American Imperialism. I'm just saying that no one should claim imperialism as a military victory.

I have no beef against WeAreInFlames - but there's not much I hate more than the whole 'America is the best' bullshit.. that's usually the attitude of white middle class society who has never experienced anything else. If you step outside the box at some time in your life you may find that America is not as great as you might have been led to believe..

I really don't have that attitude. I have no issue with France. My family is considering moving to Canada if there's a draft. Not one of those redneck patriotic assholes here. I'm just fucking with Celtik Militia.

... and the result was.... invading countries got ass kicked so much that france invaded belgium and annexed it... although france was in the middle of a civil war...

Good job. You got Belgium. I think Andorra could do that if they tried.

Secondly... if you think germany kicked ass in world war 2, the napoleonic wars lasted about 25 years... 23 years of France dominating... Germany in ww2 dominated for 4 years... and they had superior weaponry... france in napoleonic wars didn't.

Interesting thought here. It's all in the leader. If Hitler had died in 1939, Germany today might still be an empire. On the other hand, the French empire didn't really outlast Napoleon.
And I'd like to point out my favorite thing about Napoleon: He was short.
And my second favorite thing: He led 600,000 men into Russia without enough supplies and got them stuck there in the winter, losing hundreds of thousands of men. How stupid do you have to be?

Also, I always find it funny that thing about making a list of all the defeats... just so you know, France exists since the 6ths century or so which makes it one of the oldest countries in Europe which still exists today

Good for you. You're old. I'm sure that matters somehow.

.. hence you are bound to find a number of military defeats...

...and surprisingly few victories that weren't won by Germanic dudes.

what I'd like your hypocrite ass to do is a list of military victories and then compare them with the military victories and accomplishments of other european countries.

I really don't care how you did relative to other European nations. America wins.
Our record: all wins except War of 1812 (tie), Korean War (tie) and Vietnam (loss).

I said france was the number one european military power at least 3 times, i'll tell you when : Charlemagne, Louis XIV, Napoleon. Those are the eras..

Okay. Good for you guys. How long (total years) did that last?

after WW1 France was considered invincible

By who? The French?

little american minds..

Resorting to insults?

which is why you only focalise on France when 95% of all european countries (hence 99% of the world) have always been militarilly inferior to France.

You got your asses kicked by the Vietnamese before they had guns!

Edit : Weareinflames : I read what you actually posted.. and I see I was right.. you really did overuse the copy/paste thing!

Actually, I copied that directly from some website. I don't stand by it or take it seriously at all, I just find it amusing.

Honestly man, your sources are truly wrong and come from some ignorant french hating american website which started because France had the courage to not submit to american imperialism about the war in Iraq

Obviously. You guys have more balls than the UK. Good for you. (Serious about this. Feel free to act superior to GFAD).

... you're trying to pass for some guy who knows about history but honestly.. you know fuck all.. you're just another ignorant american shithead.

I'm not.
1. I'm actually very well educated in American history
2. A lot of this has been bullshit
3. You guys really did give us all those STIs.

Let me tell you this : I have the american nationality. Yes. I'm french and american. And as a double national I'm fucking less biased than you are..

...and clearly unable to detect sarcasm.

and as a pastionate in history I can tell that you don't know shit and I serve dumbasses like you for breakfast. Get your own opinion dipshit, stop getting it from dumb simple minded "haters".. you'll look less of an idiot that way and this debate will actually be more interesting.

:Smug:

I will only bother answering this one....
I watch movies from all over the world - the original language if possible - so i can understand the different cultures and point of views.
I eat what I cook, my way, much more asian and european inspired than anything else. I havent ate a burger for a good 12 years. And THATS because I know HOW TO COOK.
And just so you know, if you havent noticed QUEBEC under my avatar, or wondered what it meant or what/where it refered too, youd know that my first language is french. If you knew about geography, youd notice that Québec is part of Canada. If you knew as much history, or actuallity even, as you claim, youd know that Quebec is the sole french-speaking territory in north America, and this since colonization(1600); so no, im not speaking your language, i learned it. And im not stoping at it either.
Oh... US didnt created english, so 'your' language isnt much 'yours' anyway.

I was joking about that, pretty much entirely. But it is true that America has gone from being an importer of culture to an exporter in the last 100 years or so.

But in their defense, American's have butchered and simplified the English language so much it is pretty much their own.

Thanks man.

And the Australians say it al-you-min-e-um. Which is just wrong.

 

[Erzebeth.Rouge]

Oh, no doubt. Not a fan of American Imperialism. I'm just saying that no one should claim imperialism as a military victory.

Imperialism was considered a victory by those country as a higher standing (during 19th century). The "white supremacy with the moral obligation to help 'lower' civilizations/ethnies to uplevel at the same stage, or just a little lower". I dont agree with it, as much as pretty everyone today. But when you study history, you cant come up with conclusions with the moral standings of today, which have nothing to do with those of the past. So yes, back then, imperialism was a victory, and was made with the arms.

Interesting thought here. It's all in the leader. If Hitler had died in 1939, Germany today might still be an empire. On the other hand, the French empire didn't really outlast Napoleon.

yea yea... death race 2000....

I really don't care how you did relative to other European nations. America wins.
Our record: all wins except War of 1812 (tie), Korean War (tie) and Vietnam (loss).

dont forget the lost of the almost succeeding invasion of Quebec.
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/encyclopedia/MilitaryHistoryofCanada.htm

On New Year's Eve, 1775, [American invaers] made a night assault on the barricades at the eastern and western end of the lower town. The attack was an almost complete failure. Montgomery was killed, Arnold was wounded, and most of the Americans who penetrated the barriers were taken prisoners. During the rest of the winter, the Americans continued a passive siege of Quebec ; but on the arrival of the British fleet, with reinforcements, in the spring, they beat a hasty retreat, and by the end of 1776 they had withdrawn from Canadian soil.

But of course, this has absolutely no importance, just as much as Cuba..

Okay. Good for you guys. How long (total years) did that last?

What have you conquered lately that you kept with a US flag on it? Europe is such an old territory, people living there from generations to generations are bound to a certain patriotic unanimity. Alsace Lorraine, Lombardie, and others, having been the theatre of numerous conflicts over the centuries, are now fixed to specific countries, and thats because of the act of the past conquests, military victories, occupation. Why is Poland not Russian today? probably because they felt their territory was these specefic limits, from the people living in them, that they didnt felt very much russians.
Where im going with this is, although one country lost, regained, relost and reregained a parcel of territory, the military victory ends when the war is over. Even if theres another to take back again whats been lost, whats the real victory when the people living in those balanced lands feels or dont feel the difference? I mean, what does matter the 'how long lasted the victory' question if the winner, new nationality, invading culture doesnt fit with their generations of values, thoughts, habits, identification?

Actually, I copied that directly from some website. I don't stand by it or take it seriously at all, I just find it amusing.

You know, copying direclty from 'some website' without giving the exact source is pretty much like you invented it yourself... which is not very trustworthy...

But it is true that America has gone from being an importer of culture to an exporter in the last 100 years or so.

I agree, but its not because USA is an exporter of culture that everyone follows it. Metal is still an outpost of subculture, although there are some sellouts... metalica, korn, ...

And the Australians say it al-you-min-e-um. Which is just wrong.

Languages evolves on their own with the mix of them or from isolation, they are all good and none bad. And none has yet the mean to be the universal language, so anyway....

 

[S.U.A.D.]

Es una lástima, yo lo considero uno de los idiomas más ricos y hermosos que existen

Esto es verdad, pero por otro parte inglés es el idioma principal de los Estados Unidos, y debe ser hablado aquí

 

[S.U.A.D.]

See, I feel that way about sign. Beautiful to watch and not a word spoken

I dunno....Spanish is a cool language, as a second language of mine (even though I'm fairly bad at it, lol), but I DO think it's not to replace English in the United States.

 

[SilentRealm]

Out of curiosity (and this is not me trying to come off as obnoxious or misinformed in the slightest), have you lived in the U.S. before? As a citizen my whole life, I have to say that there are awesome parts and shitty parts to living in the States. I want to visit other countries, but at this point, have no desire to live in them. Of course, the only direct reference point WE have is Canada or Mexico, and I for sure know that I'm not totally wild about Mexico, even if it is fun for short periods of time.

i havent lived in the states, but ive spent some time there on the east coast, and i have lived in japan for several years.

 

[S.U.A.D.]

i havent lived in the states, but ive spent some time there on the east coast, and i have lived in japan for several years.

Cool, where were you on the east coast? And Where in Japan? I hear Okinawa is an AWESOME place.

 

[Trashhead]

Good job. You got Belgium. I think Andorra could do that if they tried.

Hey hey, the problem isn't 'getting' Belgium, it's keeping it.

 

[Aurvandils tá]

AAAH Stop debating - everyone knows that my mates from around magna germania kick your dwarven cheese eater butts

The coolest country in the world actually is botsuana (because of the anthem)

 

[Swabs]

No. It's from the internet.


True. The British suck too. America, on the other hand, has never needed to be saved by a French guy.


Which is the part where it says who won and who lost. Making it a rational place to look to see who lost.

Yes. And they pwned France.

Uh...what about it?

What would become France geographically. I'm not sure if it was the same people, but I don't think it was.

See? Italy did it all for you!

Yes. Of course, his empire held together nicely after he died, didn't it?

You sure you want to claim imperialism as an accomplishment? One thing I'm proud of America for is not oppressing black people. Oh, wait...
But anyhow, Imperialism is something to be ashamed of, if you ask me. The shit those guys did was pretty nasty. Besides which, the British were better at it.

We had the US. Which is superior to shitty African wasteland.

Not at all, actually. You weren't fighting anyone except a couple natives with spears (if this makes you feel manly maybe you should go to a preschool and start kicking ass).
Yes, actually. The aid of the French mostly helped in bringing Europe into it, which gave the British more to worry about. There was some French military aid at the Battle Of Yorktown, but we would have won that without them. The war was over sooner because of French aid, but we would have won it.


Okay, thanks. But I would point out that it wasn't until the American victory at the Battle of Saratoga that the French stepped in. They waited till they knew they would win to actually help. And French aid was not as significant as the French would like to think.

Well, let's see...1 in 5 American soldiers returning from France after WWI had an STI. So there's that.

I do.

Well...let's see. You watch our movies...you eat our food. You speak our language.

Um....how many times can I point out that France would be part of the German Empire without the aid of Britain, Russia, and the US?

I don't hate France. And I don't think they're wimps. But there is a case to be made for the French being a bunch of pussies.

Wow you're disgusting.

And I think you'll find that YOU speak OUR language, it's called "English" for a reason, faggot.

 

[Aurvandils tá]

Fria Englaland. And don't let the normans tell you something else!

 

[DragonKeeper]

It was because of the Normans that English has a bunch of French and Latin words in it. Following the invasion of 1066 by William the Conquerer (aka William the Bastard), the use of Anglo-Saxon began to decline.

 

[waif]

Imperialism was considered a victory by those country as a higher standing (during 19th century). The "white supremacy with the moral obligation to help 'lower' civilizations/ethnies to uplevel at the same stage, or just a little lower". I dont agree with it, as much as pretty everyone today. But when you study history, you cant come up with conclusions with the moral standings of today, which have nothing to do with those of the past. So yes, back then, imperialism was a victory, and was made with the arms.

It wasn't a legitimate military victory. They never faced an organized, united foe. It's sorta like you couldn't call the US slaughter of the Indians a war.

dont forget the lost of the almost succeeding invasion of Quebec.
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/encyclopedia/MilitaryHistoryofCanada.htm

If I remember correctly, we won the Revolution.

What have you conquered lately that you kept with a US flag on it? Europe is such an old territory, people living there from generations to generations are bound to a certain patriotic unanimity. Alsace Lorraine, Lombardie, and others, having been the theatre of numerous conflicts over the centuries, are now fixed to specific countries, and thats because of the act of the past conquests, military victories, occupation. Why is Poland not Russian today? probably because they felt their territory was these specefic limits, from the people living in them, that they didnt felt very much russians.
Where im going with this is, although one country lost, regained, relost and reregained a parcel of territory, the military victory ends when the war is over. Even if theres another to take back again whats been lost, whats the real victory when the people living in those balanced lands feels or dont feel the difference? I mean, what does matter the 'how long lasted the victory' question if the winner, new nationality, invading culture doesnt fit with their generations of values, thoughts, habits, identification?

I'm just asking how long France was the most powerful nation in Europe for.

You know, copying direclty from 'some website' without giving the exact source is pretty much like you invented it yourself... which is not very trustworthy...

I don't consider that thing trustworthy. It's obviously total bullshit. I just found it amusing. You guys really aren't very good at picking up on sarcasm.

I agree, but its not because USA is an exporter of culture that everyone follows it. Metal is still an outpost of subculture, although there are some sellouts... metalica, korn, ...

wat

Hey hey, the problem isn't 'getting' Belgium, it's keeping it.

I guess.

Wow you're disgusting.

And I think you'll find that YOU speak OUR language, it's called "English" for a reason, faggot.

Okay, first off: I'm just fucking with you, I really have nothing against France.
Secondly, the language you bastards over there speak has nothing to do with real English, which is what we speak over here, aight?

 

[griev0r]

Just finished setting it up, yay!

http://i29.tinypic.com/220xah.jpg

 

[Erzebeth.Rouge]

If I remember correctly, we won the Revolution.

I wasnt talking about the revolution

 

[GuitarRage99]

Just finished setting it up, yay!

http://i29.tinypic.com/220xah.jpg

Nice i got me one of those banners as well at the show!

 

[Celtik Militia]

Good job. You got Belgium. I think Andorra could do that if they tried.

Yeah, except that Belgium was property of the Austrian Empire before France got it.. The huge Austrian Empire which was allied to the Brits, the Spanish, the Prussians..etc.. as I said, study your history before blabbering about.

Interesting thought here. It's all in the leader. If Hitler had died in 1939, Germany today might still be an empire. On the other hand, the French empire didn't really outlast Napoleon.
And I'd like to point out my favorite thing about Napoleon: He was short.
And my second favorite thing: He led 600,000 men into Russia without enough supplies and got them stuck there in the winter, losing hundreds of thousands of men. How stupid do you have to be?

Napoleon actually wasn't short for his time. Its a historical misconception. You could read all about it but the problem is that you actually need to open a book. Bummer...
And yeah, invasion of Russia was pretty bold.. but considering France handed Europe's ass on a plate since 1789 till the invasion of Russia (1812) Napoleon was a little crazed up. But there wasn't anything stupid about it, Russians were pissing their pants, they thought they'd lose. But their Cossaks do kick ass.
Oh, and Napoleon was definately smarter than you, or me for that matter.

...and surprisingly few victories that weren't won by Germanic dudes.

I didn't get that. If your implying France rarely won against "germanic dudes" its quite a falsehood. Most of eastern france is actually previously german-owned territory annexed to France during the royal system, Louis XIV and shit. Not a fan of that period so I'm no specialist. Not to mention the victories of the napoleonic era, and the many victories against the Austrians, including the reunification of Italy.
But anyway, the french have a significant amount of germanic blood weither you want it or not.
Also, lets talk about some very germanic countries which don't even compare militarilly speaking to france : the scandinavian countries. sure they had a kick ass viking age.. then what? (again, I don't care for that.. just need to offer a base of comparison...)

I really don't care how you did relative to other European nations. America wins.
Our record: all wins except War of 1812 (tie), Korean War (tie) and Vietnam (loss).

Oh I wasn't aware we were doing a France vs America thing... I never said the US had a bad military record... I was defending history from your ignorant acusations.
(btw, you may want to add Iraq in that list.. well, I guess we'll see).

Okay. Good for you guys. How long (total years) did that last?

France has been a top military country since its creation by Clovis. Throughout history France has always been a "dangerous" nation for its neighbors or an important ally. There is no calculating the time, but it has often been longer than 50 years (thats the time the US has been the top military country but thats debatable considering the USSR.. i personally don't think it will last much longer to be honest but we shall see), sometimes centuries like the Carolingian empire/dynasty and its heirs to name just that.

You got your asses kicked by the Vietnamese before they had guns!

hmmmm... no.. they had guns... your copy/paste post mentioned Dien Bien Phu I believe.. the battle.. famous cause the viets surprisingly managed to carry heavy artillery at the top of difficult hills.
But since your in that logic of comparison : the americans got ass kicked in Viet Nam although the vietnamese had already fought an 8 year war with the french (2nd largest colonial empire in the world, btw..). oh, and the ex-german SS soldiers who were the majority of the french foreign legion at the time of the Indochina war got just as badly ass kicked by the viets.

I'm not.
1. I'm actually very well educated in American history
2. A lot of this has been bullshit
3. You guys really did give us all those STIs.
...and clearly unable to detect sarcasm.

There is no sarcasm in what you're saying... you clearly believe it. You're the typical american guy who has a problem with the french hence you call on fictional history to justify your hatred. I've seen tons of guys like you over the net.

I was joking about that, pretty much entirely. But it is true that America has gone from being an importer of culture to an exporter in the last 100 years or so.

Yeah, thanks for Mc Donald's and bringing democracy to Iraq.. sure seems to work.
Kidding for the Mc Donald's thing.. and i'm not anti-american considering I am american...

 

[Celtik Militia]

Just finished setting it up, yay!

http://i29.tinypic.com/220xah.jpg

lol a friend of mine has a similar electrical drum set. Those are pretty awsome. I like playing it with some gay sounds like "applause", "laughs" and shit

 

[SilentRealm]

seeing as this is a pictures thread.. here's me with two of my best girls:

 

[Aurvandils tá]

WOW the one with the glasses looks like my ex GF with red hair... And you look like the mother of the gilmore girls but younger

 

[waif]

I wasnt talking about the revolution

We lost a battle. So what?

Yeah, except that Belgium was property of the Austrian Empire before France got it.. The huge Austrian Empire which was allied to the Brits, the Spanish, the Prussians..etc.. as I said, study your history before blabbering about.

The Spanish. Like they were gonna do anything about it.

Napoleon actually wasn't short for his time. Its a historical misconception. You could read all about it but the problem is that you actually need to open a book. Bummer...

A: It's a joke
B: You keep accusing me of being illiterate. It's getting ridiculous

And yeah, invasion of Russia was pretty bold.. but considering France handed Europe's ass on a plate since 1789 till the invasion of Russia (1812) Napoleon was a little crazed up. But there wasn't anything stupid about it, Russians were pissing their pants, they thought they'd lose. But their Cossaks do kick ass.

There was something stupid about it. It's called winter.

Oh, and Napoleon was definately smarter than you, or me for that matter.

Great.

Also, lets talk about some very germanic countries which don't even compare militarilly speaking to france : the scandinavian countries. sure they had a kick ass viking age.. then what? (again, I don't care for that.. just need to offer a base of comparison...)

Then they chilled out and started being awesome in other ways (like having beautiful women who shave their armpits).
Besides, the Viking Age was way more awesome than the Napoleonic Era, the royal system, and charlemagne put together. It also lasted longer.

I was defending history from your ignorant acusations.

You mean my facetious accusations.

(btw, you may want to add Iraq in that list.. well, I guess we'll see).

We haven't lost there. We have military control of the country. We're just getting shot. I'm no supporter of occupation, but I do agree that the war is over. The quagmire has begun.

Throughout history France has always been a "dangerous" nation for its neighbors or an important ally.

Um...I seem to remember you guys getting your asses kicked for a while until Joan of Arc saved you. Something about the British controlling Paris...maybe it's just me.

There is no calculating the time, but it has often been longer than 50 years (thats the time the US has been the top military country but thats debatable considering the USSR.. i personally don't think it will last much longer to be honest but we shall see)[/QUOTE
A. We've been top more than 50 years. More like 100, tbh.
B. If the Chinese get guns, we're all fucked.

hmmmm... no.. they had guns... your copy/paste post mentioned Dien Bien Phu I believe.. the battle.. famous cause the viets surprisingly managed to carry heavy artillery at the top of difficult hills.

Now it is you who is ill informed. When the rebellion began they fought with ancient, rusted muskets. Those who had them. The majority had no firearms. They eventually used captured French weapons.

But since your in that logic of comparison : the americans got ass kicked in Viet Nam although the vietnamese had already fought an 8 year war with the french (2nd largest colonial empire in the world, btw..)

A. We did better than you. When you left, Vietnam was fine. When we left, it was a smoking craphole.
B. Colonial empire = look, we shot the black guy with the stick and took his land.

There is no sarcasm in what you're saying... you clearly believe it.

Um...I think I would know.

You're the typical american guy who has a problem with the french hence you call on fictional history to justify your hatred. I've seen tons of guys like you over the net.

I have no problem with the French at all. Seriously. But if you represent the typical French guy, I might. Is it true that you guys have no capacity to detect sarcasm?

Yeah, thanks for Mc Donald's and bringing democracy to Iraq.. sure seems to work.

Okay....
A. I don't eat at McDonalds. While I cannot deny the deliciousness of the food (it's pure fat and sugar, don't deny it tastes good), it repulses me. I also think their marketing techniques are evil.
B. I have always opposed the Iraq War. Saddam was obviously a dick, but he did keep order. There would be more Iraqis alive today, living in better conditions, if we hadn't invaded.

Kidding for the Mc Donald's thing.. and i'm not anti-american considering I am american...

Oh, okay.
Never accused you of anti-americanism. (Did I? if I did, I take it back). Anyhow, I frequently find myself hating this country (like when someone leaves 80 million dollars to her cat while schools in poor neighborhoods are unable to pay teachers, or when the government spends 5 thousand dollars a second to pay for a war started on false premises, or when the media devolves into a frenzy over some politician who cheated on his wife when everyone knows that the rest of them are probably doing worse, or when I hear about luxury condos built above a mall so that people never have to go outside, or..../rant). Overall I don't hate the country, but sometimes our society just appalls me.