Perceptions
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Dragon_Unearthed
Tattooed by darkness
I think this just about sums it all up...
And Larry, I think you might have hit upon one point that I cannot quite understand, logistically anyways, is that because ND is an AMERICAN band...that seems to be a trend these days, is to praise European metal, and shit on American metal
And Paul, geezus, man, please, oh please dont ever talk about your leather cod piece, the visuals are just:zombie:
rock
I'm going to start singing about slaying the dragon, going to battle with the Knights of the Round, and my wenches, all while wearing my studded leather cod piece that you can all lick.
Please, sing about wenches and your leather cod piece!
BrandonS
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Honestly guys, I read Larry's first post and Paul's first post in this thread -- it always surprises me how thoroughly and adequately Larry is able to write a huge-ass post! I usually don't read that much in a whole thread. I admire that.
But as far as Novembers Doom goes, I truly wouldn't have anything any other way. You guys have been making great music. I honestly don't look that deep into the lyrics unless I can make them out, I will sing along with Twilight Innocence. "Rain" still kinda grinds me gears but eh what can you do.
I wouldn't say you guys are like super successful, but you're playing a show with Nightingale and you get to meet Dan Swano in the flesh, so it doesn't get much better than that. The next time to meet someone big you'll be like, "Eh, well I met swano.. who are you?"
But as far as Novembers Doom goes, I truly wouldn't have anything any other way. You guys have been making great music. I honestly don't look that deep into the lyrics unless I can make them out, I will sing along with Twilight Innocence. "Rain" still kinda grinds me gears but eh what can you do.
I wouldn't say you guys are like super successful, but you're playing a show with Nightingale and you get to meet Dan Swano in the flesh, so it doesn't get much better than that. The next time to meet someone big you'll be like, "Eh, well I met swano.. who are you?"
I will most certainly NOT be writing lyrics for ND, seriously LOL I have never liked my lyrics (I was always the main lyricist back in my old bands), and I think a big part of it was because I was never really able to write anything I felt really meant anything personal or meaningful. That's why I can appreciate Paul's ability and willingness to write from such a personal place, because it is NOT easy. It's so much easier to write about "the demons of the depths of hell torturing my soul" and all that typical metal shit. If I do get into any form of writing in the future it's going to be something more along the lines of writing a book or trying to write for a magazine or website, if anyone would actually have me.
The more I think about it, the more I don't mind people calling us "overrated". Because it seems like the bands who get called that, are the ones who are doing really well for themselves and have attained a fair amount of popularity. I don't view that as a bad thing, so that's fine.
The more I think about it, the more I don't mind people calling us "overrated". Because it seems like the bands who get called that, are the ones who are doing really well for themselves and have attained a fair amount of popularity. I don't view that as a bad thing, so that's fine.
Yeah I know I have a tendency to write long posts.....it's a habit of mine (perhaps a bad one) that I like to explain myself as thoroughly as possible. I don't feel like I'm very good at getting my point across clearly when being very brief. It can be alot to take in at times, I realise.
Under_Rose
New Metal Member
ND is the best doom matal band for me
it has special sound....
I was chapterd immediately as listend ND.
and dont care what is it, death metal folk, funeral doom, heavy metal or Rock'n'Roll
It just Novembers Doom and thats important.
it has special sound....
I was chapterd immediately as listend ND.
and dont care what is it, death metal folk, funeral doom, heavy metal or Rock'n'Roll
It just Novembers Doom and thats important.
Novembers Paul
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After writing that CD, when we sat down to write Pale Haunt, we wanted to pull it together a bit tighter, and make it more cohesive, so I can understand why you would feel like that on Fade. The influences are much more spread out on the CD.
Yeah the writing situation was weird for "To Welcome The Fade". I was writing alot more material than before, so it was about 50/50 split between Eric and I. Of course, we would always work with each other on our stuff so it's not like there was huge separation happening, but he and I were in different modes during that time. Eric's writing changed a bit from what he'd done on the previous two albums, and I was still finding my niche within the band too. We weren't able to rehearse nearly as much during the "Fade" writing sessions as we had in the past, as well. That's the one album we've done since I've joined where I felt like we were the least prepared going into the studio. We were still rewriting and restructuring bits of songs when we got there. That being said I think there's some pretty solid stuff on that cd. The songs that I feel are the best are the ones where the whole band really pulled together in the writing process and made it happen, like "Not The Strong" and "Dark Fields For Brilliance".
beast from the east
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I agree with you about "Dark Fields...". That's an amazing tune, right up there with the gems on PHD. Question though...isn't it pretty much typical for a band to still be putting the finishing touches on songs in the studio? In many interviews I've read, the artist is talking about how he/she made last minute changes to a song while recording.
On another note, I think "If Forever" is the best track on TWTF, but maybe I'm just a sentimental sap
beast from the east
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Well, you managed to write what I consider to be one of the best metal albums EVER!!! I see what you mean about the "incohesiveness" of TWTF. It's a great album, but perhaps a bit disjointed? Maybe that's not the word for it. Anyway, you absolutely succeeded in making TPHD tight and cohesive!
Well, you managed to write what I consider to be one of the best metal albums EVER!!! I see what you mean about the "incohesiveness" of TWTF. It's a great album, but perhaps a bit disjointed? Maybe that's not the word for it. Anyway, you absolutely succeeded in making TPHD tight and cohesive!
I agree, kinda disjointed but still very solid.
Lost in a Day is one of my favourite songs!
TheNewChupe
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TWTF was a pretty obvious transition record for the band. I'm sure a big part of the lack of preparedness was my fault, as I was constantly visiting my then-girlfriend (now wife) 300 miles away on the weekends. I let band practice take a back seat. No disrespect to the band, but I think she was a good investment of time I probably could've handled it a bit better, but I was musically moving away from ND anyway. Vito stepping in was definitely the boost you guys needed.
I probably could've handled it a bit better, but I was musically moving away from ND anyway. Vito stepping in was definitely the boost you guys needed.
Jasonic
Doom On!
That's really cool of you to say...
Most ex-members slam their successors any chance they get!!
Farlo
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Yes.On another note, your posts have been awesome in this thread. I agree with everything you're saying here.
Novembers Paul
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That's really cool of you to say...
Most ex-members slam their successors any chance they get!!
We've never had a reason to slam Eric in any way. The parting was something we all saw coming during TWtF, and Eric was ready to move on with his life in a different direction. There was never any hard feelings between us. Shit, Eric plays Keys on few songs on Pale Haunt!
It's all good... And Eric makes a KILLER salsa. How can you be angry with someone who makes great Salsa?
Yeah I always viewed the split with Eric as being an amicable one. As Paul said, Eric came down a couple years later and laid down some keyboards on a few tracks on "The Pale Haunt Departure", which was very cool. Vito and Eric are completely different kinds of guitarists, so there's really no "competition" there, they both have had their valuable input on the development of this band.
I'm glad to see people praising some of those tunes like "If Forever" and "Lost In A Day", I'm proud of those songs and remember being very unsure about them at the time. Y'know TWTF might've been a bit "disjointed" feeling at times but honestly I think overall that album has more strong points than it does weaknesses.
Regarding the whole last minute writing thing.....it all depends on the band you're talking about at the time. Some bands like Opeth have been known to write everything once they get to the studio and not sooner. For us I feel that the best work we do is when we really take time and everyone gets to put their two cents worth in it. Even some of the stuff that I am not as fond of from TWTF, I do feel that the potential was there for it to be even better, but we just simply ran out of time, and as Eric said it was a "transitional" album for us in many ways. We learned alot while making that record. It helped me to be more prepared and ready and professional by the time we went in to do TPHD. I'm still learning and growing as a songwriter and I know that I still have a ways to go before I'll be satisfied, if ever.
I'm glad to see people praising some of those tunes like "If Forever" and "Lost In A Day", I'm proud of those songs and remember being very unsure about them at the time. Y'know TWTF might've been a bit "disjointed" feeling at times but honestly I think overall that album has more strong points than it does weaknesses.
Regarding the whole last minute writing thing.....it all depends on the band you're talking about at the time. Some bands like Opeth have been known to write everything once they get to the studio and not sooner. For us I feel that the best work we do is when we really take time and everyone gets to put their two cents worth in it. Even some of the stuff that I am not as fond of from TWTF, I do feel that the potential was there for it to be even better, but we just simply ran out of time, and as Eric said it was a "transitional" album for us in many ways. We learned alot while making that record. It helped me to be more prepared and ready and professional by the time we went in to do TPHD. I'm still learning and growing as a songwriter and I know that I still have a ways to go before I'll be satisfied, if ever.
Novembers Paul
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TWtF was a very hard CD for all of us. Eric was moving on with his girlfriend (now wife!), Larry had some personal shit going on, and my spine disease was in full swing, while my wife was pregnant. So Fade is an extremely personal CD for all of us. It was as mentioned in many ways, transitional. I really like the entire CD, except for one song, and my reasons are more that I felt it could have been amazing, if we had the time to do it right, and work it out more. All in all, it's a great CD, I think.
