Primordial - To the Nameless Dead [official thread, wit

[skyrefuge]

Well, going from that, what was your top 10 for 2006 then?

I've never gotten around to making a real list, but going simply off my play counts (which is the same data source as the pie charts), here's my top 10 most-listened-to from 2006:

Disillusion - Gloria - 31.1
The Dresden Dolls - Yes, Virginia - 23.6
Estradasphere - Palace of Mirrors - 23.6
Gotan Project - Lunático - 21.8
Del Castillo - Brotherhood - 20.9
Aterciopelados - Oye - 20.4
Rodrigo y Gabriela - Rodrigo y Gabriela - 19.3
Cursive - Happy Hollow - 18.4
Agalloch - Ashes Against the Grain - 17.4
Red Sparowes - Every Red Heart Shines Towards the Red Sun - 15.9

Hmm, apparently my data is worthless anyhow, since there are only two genuine metal albums on there, and only one of them is RC-worthy. Lest you think me a complete idiot, Hammers of Misfortune, Novembre, Amorphis, and Blind Guardian are the next four.

Neil

 

[skeptik]

We have intensely different tastes! Therefore I don't have to adhere to your 2007 projections. Hurray.

 

[JayKeeley]

We're talking about your "attention-seeking talking point" comment/post. It would be helpful if you could clarify what you meant by that, otherwise I'm going to continue to feel bad about myself and my ability to digest music. If not, then whatever.

Er....I think we're making a mountain out of a molehill here or we need some new emoticons or something. Firstly, I couldn't give a shit whether you liked it or not. I'm not even sure if I was consciously thinking of anyone as I made even that comment. :zombie:

After several years on forums, it's just an odd dynamic I see from time to time. A group discussion will take place applauding an album and then someone will announce their dislike, bating others to attempt to explain why they like said album in the first place. Sometimes its in the hope of being persuaded to like it perhaps?

Another dynamic is where people announce their like for an album, find a gathering of people who jump on the bandwagon, and then the originator revokes his or her opinion because too many people like it now. This happens all the time.

There are probably a few others, but I'm a little tired now of being cornered into explaining myself I must admit.

I'm sure someone could write an entire thesis on "thread dynamics", I dunno.

 

[Demilich]

^ I could do that as my sociology undergrand thesis if I ever go back to school and finish my degree!e

 

[skyrefuge]

We have intensely different tastes!

ha, yes, that was firmly established (at least in my mind) a long time ago! But I'm curious, have you actually heard any of that stuff on my list?

Neil

 

[skeptik]

I was just curious where you were finding attention seeking in this thread, that was all. I didn't even say that you were aiming anything at me, for all I know you could have been commenting on something well before me, because I haven't read the 6 or 7 pages worth of comments that were made before I made my post. No need to feel cornered, I just thought it was an odd comment and don't know what spurred it on.

 

[skeptik]

ha, yes, that was firmly established (at least in my mind) a long time ago! But I'm curious, have you actually heard any of that stuff on my list?

Neil

I heard the Agalloch (and the HoM and Blind Guardian). I thought the Agalloch was great, but found the other two to be boring for the most part.

 

[Dark One]

ha, yes, that was firmly established (at least in my mind) a long time ago! But I'm curious, have you actually heard any of that stuff on my list?

When you indicated that only one of the albums you thoroughly played (I assume the Agalloch) was RC worthy, you'd be surprised to know that both Disillusion and Rodrigo y Gabriela have been discussed at length. And if memory serves me, I believe Estradasphere generated some discussion as well.

 

[JayKeeley]

I was just curious where you were finding attention seeking in this thread, that was all. I didn't even say that you were aiming anything at me, for all I know you could have been commenting on something well before me, because I haven't read the 6 or 7 pages worth of comments that were made before I made my post. No need to feel cornered, I just thought it was an odd comment and don't know what spurred it on.

I wasn't aiming it at you. I didn't even quote you. Perhaps it's because I didn't use an appropriate smilie or that your post came right before mine? My point was in general that I'm a "glass is half full" kind of guy and those who are "glass is half empty" people are probably nitpicky.

Let's revisit what I said:

Just sounds like a lot of whinging over nothing really, so if you focus on the positives and not just need an attention-seeking talking point, it's an essential album.

Wow. Big deal.

Let me spell it out, again in what we see in general thread dynamics. I CAN FUCKING GUARANTEE that if someone posts a comment about something saying, "yeah I like this album because it rules", it typically doesn't spark much reaction. If someone says "this album sucks because the vocals are blah blah", it typically ALWAYS sparks a reaction. wtf.

How anyone can debate that is beyond me. Believe me, 25,000 posts and 6 years on the forum, I think I've seen this pattern once or twice before.

 

[skyrefuge]

After several years on forums, it's just an odd dynamic I see from time to time.

To kiss your ass, I'll say that I knew exactly what you were talking about from the get-go. But as you say, it's just a natural byproduct of forum culture, so it's certainly not worth making a big deal about it.

Another dynamic is where people announce their like for an album, find a gathering of people who jump on the bandwagon, and then the originator revokes his or her opinion because too many people like it now. This happens all the time.

Hmm...now I can't say I've ever seen this one. You must have some fucked up people around here! But maybe that's an effect only seen at non-threaded boards where the topics survive forever, giving people plenty of time to change their opinions. Because it's a bit presumptuous to claim a reason for their opinion change (unless "too popular" is the reason they gave?); it very well may have changed naturally.

The other one I like, which is closely-related to #1, is the "Am I the only one here who doesn't like/'get' XXX?" topics. Unfailingly, those topics generate a lot of responses in agreement, and the original poster feels like he suddenly gave voice to a poor, downtrodden, yet sizable minority who had been held in silence by the majority. In reality, there are always a TON of people out there who won't care for any one particular album, so it's really just revealing the obvious.

Neil

 

[skyrefuge]

When you indicated that only one of the albums you thoroughly played (I assume the Agalloch) was RC worthy

Oh, yeah, by "RC worthy", I meant something that would rank on a "Best of RC" list. Cuz I know you guys talk about lots of different stuff; it's one of the reasons I like this place. But Agalloch is the only one on there to reach some sort of RC critical mass.

Shit, I did a search a little while back and discovered that people have even talked about The Dresden Dolls here (and quite positively, too! As they should!)

Neil

 

[JayKeeley]

Hmm...now I can't say I've ever seen this one. You must have some fucked up people around here! But maybe that's an effect only seen at non-threaded boards where the topics survive forever, giving people plenty of time to change their opinions. Because it's a bit presumptuous to claim a reason for their opinion change (unless "too popular" is the reason they gave?); it very well may have changed naturally.

Don't confuse this with the band selling out or changing direction. It's simply to do with the number of people liking said band. It's purely quantitive. For some, once the fanbase exceed "x" amount then it's time to move on and find something else.

You can apply this to both BAND and ALBUM. It happens.

 

[skeptik]

I don't even know what's going on at this point.

Nemtheanga sucks

 

[Dark One]

Oh, yeah, by "RC worthy", I meant something that would rank on a "Best of RC" list. Cuz I know you guys talk about lots of different stuff; it's one of the reasons I like this place. But Agalloch is the only one on there to reach some sort of RC critical mass.

Shit, I did a search a little while back and discovered that people have even talked about The Dresden Dolls here (and quite positively, too! As they should!)

Awesome - I just wanted to make sure you felt free to discuss those types of releases around here (not that you didn't of course, but I was thinking you might've looked at it from more of a "why would I bother?" viewpoint).

 

[JayKeeley]

I don't even know what's going on at this point.

oh I was responding to your "it would help if you clarify what you meant" post. Just sayin' it as I'm seein' it. No big deal.

 

[EricT]

This album took a major downturn on my scales over the past week... maybe its just a temp faze, but I cannot listen to it at all.

Storm before the Calm, on the other hand, has been played several times this week.

We shall see how things pan out.

 

[skyrefuge]

For some, once the fanbase exceed "x" amount then it's time to move on and find something else.

Yeah, I feel like there must be some level of truth to this, since corporations even base marketing campaigns on convincing people that they're "trendsetters".

But I'm just really hesitant to ascribe a specific reason like this to peoples' personal behavior, since I don't have ESP, and I don't think I've ever seen someone actually admit to this behavior.

I guess what I wonder is, for people who behave like this, does reaching "x" cause their opinion to genuinely change, or does it only change their actions/speech? Like, do they secretly hole up in their bathroom to listen to their Opeth albums, while running an anti-Opeth campaign on the web?

Neil

 

[Climb Thar Hill]

What the hell has happened?

After giving this latest disc more and more spins over the past couple weeks I realize it's dropped in rank. It's a great disc but it just feels as if it's lacking something. Not sure what...will give it yet another spin come morning.

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

It...just happened to me too. Like two days ago. Oh why couldn't Nemthy do regular clean vocals on Empire Falls? That bastard. I'm not just saying it to agree with you guys either it really did drop in rank for me before I read this topic. What the hell!

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Eh, I like it more than the first time I heard it.