still life re mixed

[bens0n]

I don't have a 5.1 system.

I have a 4.2 in my car, and a 2.1 240 watt THX cert. set of compute speakers.

I don't like the whole concept of 5.1 because I know its not going to sound right.. :/

how exactly does a 5.1 mix work..?

please tell me theres not preset sub cutoffs in the music, because if there is, fuck 5.1 mixes, I have my sub cutoffs at 80hz

 

[Ermz]

I still wonder whether there'll be a stereo downmix release...

 

[ometh]

Have to agree, still life has the best cover art.

Yeah. I'm not hugely keen on GR/TRHT artwork. Hope he doesn't ruin the still life artwork......it is a work of art in itself!

 

[KjeXXXer]

I never listen to music through speakers, just headphones, and I've never heard any dropouts or coughs or anything.
Also I agree about the cover art.

 

[Tubbs]

There are enourmous dropouts on Still Life. How the hell do people not notice this? You guys must have some low quality audio equipment or something, because I notice it clearly every time.

 

[Zephyros]

There are enourmous dropouts on Still Life. How the hell do people not notice this? You guys must have some low quality audio equipment or something, because I notice it clearly every time.

I second that.

 

[KjeXXXer]

I know, it must lead you to fury and dispair how we haven't had the record ruined by that stuff. How dare we?

 

[bens0n]

well, I dont think alot of people know what 'dropouts' are or sound like

people probably notice the weird shit, but they don't know its a dropout.

 

[bens0n]

I don't have a 5.1 system.

I have a 4.2 in my car, and a 2.1 240 watt THX cert. set of compute speakers.

I don't like the whole concept of 5.1 because I know its not going to sound right.. :/

how exactly does a 5.1 mix work..?

please tell me theres not preset sub cutoffs in the music, because if there is, fuck 5.1 mixes, I have my sub cutoffs at 80hz

anyone care to elaborate? maybe explain how 5.1 mixes affect me?

 

[Tubbs]

I know, it must lead you to fury and dispair how we haven't had the record ruined by that stuff. How dare we?

 

[firewindraging]

this is cool to hear, i've always wondered how opeth cds would sound with different productions, still life might not have that really thick sound on the remaster but i bet it'll sound great

 

[Frosties]

There are enourmous dropouts on Still Life. How the hell do people not notice this? You guys must have some low quality audio equipment or something, because I notice it clearly every time.

Actually, I've got great equipment, and I've also heard it through headphones.

In the few years I've had the album, I've heard it through different soundsystems, and I've never heard a dropout. And I'm not deaf... I think.

Could it be that some versions of the album just do not have it?

 

[Black Session]

I'm also wondering about the "dropouts" ... well, you guys who know a lot about it, explain then! instead of calling people stupid and deaf. there was a time you also had no idea what all these things were, you also had to learn didn't you?
so: explain... is it like differences in volume? cause then I know what you mean I think.

 

[Cyrosis]

anyone care to elaborate? maybe explain how 5.1 mixes affect me?

For my own surround mixes I'll typically keep drum overheads and toms in the front stereo channels, the snare, kick, and possible one of the rack toms in the center channel, and lastly room mics in the rear channels. That covers a basic surround drum mix for an example, and if you ask me, it sounds fantastic; not only does a surround mix allow much more clarity due to separation, it offers the ability to bring the listener right into the recording space and add three dimensional special effects and accents.

Anyway, a 5.1 mix doesn't always mean better, it has to be in the right hands and it can easily be mis used, If you go back to when stereo was being introduced, you can find some really horrible mixes due to very distasteful panning.

 

[Opethian666]

I'm also wondering about the "dropouts" ... well, you guys who know a lot about it, explain then! instead of calling people stupid and deaf. there was a time you also had no idea what all these things were, you also had to learn didn't you?
so: explain... is it like differences in volume? cause then I know what you mean I think.

Well, I'm no audio expert, just someone who listens with headphones and can clearly hear the dropouts in The Moor. The way I hear it, the left channel's volume goes down all of a sudden, and then the volume starts wavering up and down, up and down. It's very clear if you listen with decent quality headphones and at a reasonably loud volume, so if you can't hear it, you're either deaf or there are copies of the album that don't have the error.

 

[Blind Guardian]

Can anyone say the exact time when these dropouts occur? I listened through the moor a couple of time just listening for them. And what exactly does a dropout mean?

 

[Frosties]

Ok, so I think I found one. Though I can't be sure.

At around 5:25 during The Moor, for about 5-10 seconds, it seems as if the volume goes down a bit on my right headphone. It took me about 10 times straight of listening to that part until I was sure.

Honestly, if THATS what everyone's crying about, they're overreacting.

Also, I think it's impossible to hear that without headphones.

 

[Opethian666]

^It already happens from 5:01-5:04 in the left headphone, then again from 5:08-5:11, then very briefly at 5:25 as you described, but again very much noticeable and for a longer period from 5:30-5:42. At 5:42 you really hear the right headphone volume swell back to a normal level. There's more dropouts but those are the most noticeable parts as far as I can tell.
You probably noticed the 5:25 bit because it is short and abrupt, while the others are more gradual and spread over larger time periods.

 

[KjeXXXer]

Pardon me, sir. I'm just used to getting called an idiot for not hearing the dropouts.

I often listen to The Moor with very good headphones and at a loud volume, and I really have never been able to identify those things. My copy of SL says 2003 instead of 1999, so I suspect that my copy was corrected.

 

[Blind Guardian]

It haven´t bothered me in the 5-6 years i´ve had the record,and i consider myself a pretty "listening" listener.