the dynamite politics thread

@panzer: i feel the same. chomsky has many merits, but some excesses are to be attributed to this moronic idea that acceptance of different cultures and open-mindedness should pass through self-bashing and deprecation of one's own actions and traditions.
 
panzerkaetzchen said:
To cede one's individuality is to cede one's desire to live.

To my knowledge he has not suggested anything of such, quite the opposite
infact, he is a liberal you know.
It's Bush and Co. who are trying to remove all traits of individuality and freedom
and if you can't see that happening then you can't be helped.


panzerkaetzchen said:
I understand that my response regards a quote out of context; so, if my understanding is incorrect, please instruct me.

Oh, how about reading some of his stuff before commenting on it? hmm?
 
well, i've read quite a lot of chomsky (actually 4 books and various interviews) and i still believe that his belief in collective action is unfounded. you know, disagreeing with you does not imply ignorance.
 
for the record, i do not support bush or his ideas. he's some kind of midguided, pseudo-socialist, republican nutcase. unfortunately, i do not see a better alternative in democratic candidate sen. john f kerry, which leaves me in quite a pickle for this november's election. alas, alas...
 
Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Ach, what the hell...
Rather than citing important issues, I'll just give a brief synopsis of my platform, so to speak. I am currently disenchanted with both republican and democratic parties because each seeks to expand the US government control nationally as well as internationally (Exhibit A: Iraq). Personally, I do not want the government telling me what to think, how to spend my money, what I can and cannot do with my body, etc. I do not think it is their office to control the economy either; allow the free market to take care of itself. Capitalism can succeed if allowed to progress unhindered by idiotic government meddling. I ask nothing more of the government than to protect my rights to life, liberty, and property. The End. (Flame away; my fire extinguisher is on hand and functioning.)
 
panzerkaetzchen said:
Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Ach, what the hell...
Meh, I've had every political debate imaginable on UM at least 8 times over, so I don't really have the energy to rehash the "why libertarians are living in an alternate reality" argument. That said, I'm going to rehash the "why libertarians are living in an alternate reality" argument. :p

Rather than citing important issues, I'll just give a brief synopsis of my platform, so to speak.
If you had mentioned any specific issue -- health care, education, crime, national security, taxes, race relations, etc -- I'd lay out exactly how Kerry is lightyears ahead of Bush. But, like every libertarian (correct me if you're not one) I've talked to, you're driven more by the ideology than by its results. So I know from past experience we're at an impasse.

I am currently disenchanted with both republican and democratic parties because each seeks to expand the US government control nationally as well as internationally (Exhibit A: Iraq).
1. Iraq war aside, do you honestly think any country, especially the U.S., can be isolationist in this era?

2. You dislike our global reach politically but not economically?

Personally, I do not want the government telling me what to think, how to spend my money, what I can and cannot do with my body, etc.
And I think it's the role -- no, the duty -- of a government to seek the common good for its citizens, which oftentimes requires such intervention. But here's an ideological difference between us that I don't expect to change.

I do not think it is their office to control the economy either; allow the free market to take care of itself. Capitalism can succeed if allowed to progress unhindered by idiotic government meddling.
How do you define "succeed"?

Left unchecked, capitalism does nothing to enforce labor or environmental standards, consumer rights, or equality of opportunity. Why do you think society would be better off without these things?
 
@lina: you might write 10,000 line posts each day and hope real hard, but the democrats are going to lose. ha, ha, ha. :heh:
 
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@lina: libertarian? no name-calling, please. now if you'll excuse me, i have to go stock up on supplies for my bunker in montana. my grandaddy always said you can never have too many shotguns. *retires to alternate reality* :)
 
DeepInMisery said:
haha just another great thing to show people that war is sick. i wonder where the psychologists are that can explain why killing people is sane. where are they? WHERE ARE THEY IN PSYCHOLOGICAL LITERRATURE? oh, thats right, they dont exist. :)
how about the psychologists debating on the definition of "sane". do they exist, in psychological literature? and what do they say?