Pretty debatable, actually...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal
Seems a pretty good article.
the first some what extreme metal album you heard... and liked
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Pretty debatable, actually...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal
Seems a pretty good article.
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Grindcore is metal influenced, not extreme metal. Death/grind, on the other hand, fits nicely under the extreme umbrella. Revisionist history dictates whether or not thrash is extreme.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Indeed, grindcore is not extreme metal mainly because it's not technically a genre of metal (though recently it's been kind of accepted as one to great extent). Thrash can be extreme or not. German thrash is very extreme, as is a band like Dark Angel. Even early Metallica isn't very extreme, but I think it's opinion.
rms
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AchrisK
Weakling
I personally see grindcore as extreme metal. Grind is a special animal that is real death metal mixed with real punk. To me it is worthy, although it bares the label "core", whereas I am not a friend (generally speaking) of (90's style) hardcore and metalcore.
Thrash is mostly always extreme, although it predates the term. I know that Anthrax and Toxik and many other thrash bands don't really sound "extreme", but that is mostly based on the perception of the vocals and the cleaner guitar sound. Beef up those tones and nobody would be arguing.
Thrash is mostly always extreme, although it predates the term. I know that Anthrax and Toxik and many other thrash bands don't really sound "extreme", but that is mostly based on the perception of the vocals and the cleaner guitar sound. Beef up those tones and nobody would be arguing.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Since grindcore is a combination genre (metal/punk) and thus is not "metal" in whole, it can't be extreme metal. It is extreme music, but it's not a metal genre (even though it is accepted by fans of metal for the most part). Deathgrind is extreme metal because it is death metal that takes grindcore influence and assimilates it into a fully metal context. Deathgrind is OFTEN the same style as brutal death metal, also, and both terms tend to be commutative; slam death usually isn't grindcore-influenced though.
The problem with making hypotheticals is convincing yourself that they're not true once you start making them. The bands you listed may have "nobody arguing" IF they did what you say (probably wouldn't to be honest), but since they don't do said things, they aren't "extreme metal." Doom is hardly ever extreme, but certain styles of it (funeral doom, etc. but not true doom) are extreme enough.
Overall the term is just way too goddamn confusing to be useful or helpful as most genres aim to be.
blackmetalmistress
"In the Year o fOur Lord"
Emperor was too much for me when I first got started.
Anyways, the first true metal band that I really got into was Cock and Ball Torture, than Six Feet Under, than Darkthrone. Now I have got it all cleared up.
Anyways, the first true metal band that I really got into was Cock and Ball Torture, than Six Feet Under, than Darkthrone. Now I have got it all cleared up.
AchrisK
Weakling
My hypothetical wasn't an attempt to say what it would take to make those bands extreme, it was more to illustrate that the music itself is fast and is extreme, but is just played with cleaner tones. Thus it may not be viewed as extreme, especially in this day and age where everyone is growling and production is often very thick. IMO it is thrash and it is extreme metal.
I would always consider doom/death (Paramaecium, dISEMBOWELMENT, Winter, etc) extreme, unless it got too gothy.
BlackMetalWhiteGuy
Manly Man!
I was into nu metal in high school and that eased my transition into extreme metal. My first introduction to non-nu metal and metalcore was a radio show called The Sound and the Fury, which only airs between 12:00 AM and 6:00 AM Sunday morning on K-Rock. After listening to this show for a while, I would occasionally email the DJ to ask for artist and track titles. The first song that I remembered the name of and liked enough to go out and buy was Kalmah's Kill the Idealist, but I didn't really appreciate the album that much, because I became interested in the band on the false pretense that they were gimmicky melodic folk metal with heavy vocals. This is because I thought Kill the Idealist sounded like a death metal version of Pop Goes the Weasel and expected the rest of the album to be equally amusing.
I still credit Kalmah with getting me into extreme metal though, because after I learned how to actually listen to music, I appreciated the album much more. I think I bought Children of Bodom's Follow the Reaper first though, because I discovered them through a search of bands that were similar to Kalmah. Having no pre-conceived notion of what they were supposed to sound like though, I enjoyed their album much more on my first listen than I did with Kalmah.
I also bought Amon Amarth's The Crusher because I remembered seeing the band in the radio show's playlist and I loved it.
As for individual songs, I really enjoyed Darkane's Innocence Gone from the radio and I looked up In Flames because I remembered hearing their name on the radio show and I downloaded December Flower because the title intrigued me and I was really impressed.
Unfortunately though, listening to any of this music now doesn't have nearly the same impact that it did when it was new to me, probably because I have higher expectations now, but also because it sounded much more more mysterious and demonic waking up to it in the middle of the night than it does now when I'll sit in my room listening to it in broad daylight.
I still credit Kalmah with getting me into extreme metal though, because after I learned how to actually listen to music, I appreciated the album much more. I think I bought Children of Bodom's Follow the Reaper first though, because I discovered them through a search of bands that were similar to Kalmah. Having no pre-conceived notion of what they were supposed to sound like though, I enjoyed their album much more on my first listen than I did with Kalmah.
I also bought Amon Amarth's The Crusher because I remembered seeing the band in the radio show's playlist and I loved it.
As for individual songs, I really enjoyed Darkane's Innocence Gone from the radio and I looked up In Flames because I remembered hearing their name on the radio show and I downloaded December Flower because the title intrigued me and I was really impressed.
Unfortunately though, listening to any of this music now doesn't have nearly the same impact that it did when it was new to me, probably because I have higher expectations now, but also because it sounded much more more mysterious and demonic waking up to it in the middle of the night than it does now when I'll sit in my room listening to it in broad daylight.
I think the vocals are a significant factor in a band's extremity, because extremity is largely an aesthetic thing and the vocals contribute significantly to the aesthetic.
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Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
But then again we have bands like Opeth who blur the line by playing extreme progressive metal, for example.
seedofvengeance
Boosh!
Lamb of God's Laid to Rest was my first somewhat extreme metal song outside of the typical Slayer and Metallica stuff. That started my slide into the metal universe, I suppose.
Phrozenspite
Inhuman nihilist
Dimmu Borgir - Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia, I saw an article on them in Terrorizer mag, which I'd picked up because it had Fear Factory and Rammstein advertised on the cover that month... I still remember hearing In Flames and thinking it was one of the heavier things i'd ever heard haha...
I originally was into the lighter forms of industrial and such... I'd always known Death Metal and such existed but I unfortunately recall checking out Cannibal Corpse and being turned off to the genre due to their crappiness
I originally was into the lighter forms of industrial and such... I'd always known Death Metal and such existed but I unfortunately recall checking out Cannibal Corpse and being turned off to the genre due to their crappiness
Ender Rises
Wass sappening?
Black Label Society -- Mafia
Children of Bodom -- Hatecrew Deathroll
Arch Enemy -- Anthems of Rebellion
Lamb of God -- Ashes of the Wake
*hangs head in shame*
EDIT: This doesn't count growing up with Pantera, Metallica, etc.
Children of Bodom -- Hatecrew Deathroll
Arch Enemy -- Anthems of Rebellion
Lamb of God -- Ashes of the Wake
*hangs head in shame*
EDIT: This doesn't count growing up with Pantera, Metallica, etc.
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