The great and all powerful religion thread!
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King Richard
Hello there
Thoth-Amon
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1. The "archaeology" of the bible has been disproven in numerous areas... such as the age of the earth/universe; the age of the human race; the origin of the human race; the origin of languages; the implausibility of the flood myth; the complete lack of any evidence for the Exodus, etc.
2. Science does not have a furnished theory for the origin of life. And just because the bible does it does not make it's theory true. All society's have their own creation myths and none of them are true. In fact the bible's account of the creation has been thoroughly disproven.
challenge_everything
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^ And science most definitely DOES have theories, well-supported ones, on the origins of life. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.
Thoth-Amon
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It does not have a uniform theory... just numerous competeting theories all of which have problems.
King Richard
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He is stating there is no single theory that science can lay claim to as to the origin of the universe. He isn't saying that science is theory-less.
challenge_everything
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I couldn't disagree with this more. Basically every 'evil' act in the history of the world has been done, not because the perpetrators are evil, but because they allow their own freedom of thought to be replaced by some herd mentality set of beliefs that convinces them their actions are 'justified' in furtherance of those beliefs. The 'end justifies the means' type crap.
Look at any major 'evil' and you'll see that it has been caused by rigid belief in something, such that its followers lose sight of the bigger picture. And in this respect religion is no different than any other 'ism', be it capitalism, communism, anti-communism, nazism. But I see no tragedies, on a major or minor scale, caused by atheism. The atheists I know are people freed from straitjacket beliefs so they look at everything on a case-by-case basis - is this action right or wrong? If there is no God, the only thing that matters is human freedom.
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Thoth-Amon
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The fact is there is no possibilty that their was an Intelligent Designer until the evidence says otherwise. We cannot just assume there was one. As of now there is no eveidence to support intelligent design. I am not a "fanatic of evolution" I am just observing rational fact.
I don't really get this greater cause thing. The reason Atheists fight so strongly for separation of church and state and against religious intrusion into the schools is that it violates the Constitution and it violates our rights to exist without having to believe. I definititely do not think atheist's are "lazy douchebags" (?)
Yes! Even if science had no theories regarding the formation of the Univers/Life it does not necessarily make the one made up thousands of years ago any more true.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Roman Catholic, church-going.
Becoming a metalhead has certainly challenged my beliefs, but I see no harm in keeping a faith that promotes a positive lifestyle and good works. That and the Catholic Church has really cleaned up its act in recent history, gravitating toward the more liberal side of the religious spectrum, and not full of fundamentalists or extremists. The Catholic Church is the world's largest charitable organization, and even non-believers should acknowledge that.
That aside, being a metalhead and a practicing Christian at the same time gives me the thrill of leading a double-life of polar oppositions within my character.
Becoming a metalhead has certainly challenged my beliefs, but I see no harm in keeping a faith that promotes a positive lifestyle and good works. That and the Catholic Church has really cleaned up its act in recent history, gravitating toward the more liberal side of the religious spectrum, and not full of fundamentalists or extremists. The Catholic Church is the world's largest charitable organization, and even non-believers should acknowledge that.
That aside, being a metalhead and a practicing Christian at the same time gives me the thrill of leading a double-life of polar oppositions within my character.
Sabin Frost
Doom makes me happy
I was born and raised a catholic but I take a very existentialist outlook on life which leads me to being rather atheist. I generally call myself agnostic however as I dont like to discard my upbringing completely, I agree with a lot of the morals and values of the religion, just not the practices generally and the fact it is organised and runs almost like a corporation of supporting people for following.
unknown
fuck ftagn
you can lead a fully moral and happy life without the aid of religion. it is possible.
also, I'd like to see what donations the church donates to. I'm willing to guess they're not donating to Muslim charities or Atheist charities.
on a side note, I still attend church every week because I play in the band (bass & guitar), and the only reason why is because I've been doing it for 6 years and all of the members are close friends of mine that I enjoy playing music with.
also, I'd like to see what donations the church donates to. I'm willing to guess they're not donating to Muslim charities or Atheist charities.
on a side note, I still attend church every week because I play in the band (bass & guitar), and the only reason why is because I've been doing it for 6 years and all of the members are close friends of mine that I enjoy playing music with.
AchrisK
Weakling
No, you see we are talking about two different things. The origin of life is separate from the origin of the universe. Science has many theories on the origin of the universe and on the evolution of living organisms, but when it comes to how life began, they have nothing that doesn't have huge problems.
AchrisK
Weakling
Actually the problem with the origin of life and the odds against it basically say that it could not have happened on accident. Plus the incredible complexity and intricacy and balance that exists in the universe, and in our world, and even in the most simple living organism speak clearly of design. If you came across anything with even a fraction of that complexity on the ground (say, a computer) you would never assume it was the result of chance. This is enough to warrant the allowance of another theory into the educational system. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, the lengths that some people will go to deny any sort of creator.
AchrisK
Weakling
Intelligent design is sound, and Christianity has a version of the origin of life. As I keep saying, it is one of many clues that lead me to believe Christianity.
Ender Rises
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