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One thing that has always really bothered me about all the Christians I know is that they ALL pick and choose what rules to follow.

Their sentences always start like this "Well, I am a Christian but..." and usually end with something like "I don't beleive that..."

I would think that to call yourself a Christian or at least a good Christian you would have to follow ALL the rules, not just a few. Doesn't being part of an organization or group mean following all of its rules?

It does not make sense to me that people think they can do this. They conveniently choose all of the things that back up their personal beliefs and forget about the things that are a hassle, or inconvenient to them.

These are the people who use religion to bash gays or any other group they dislike and then turn around and do many things the Bible says not to. How many Christians actually tithe? Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't the Bible call for 10% of all earnings? How many Christians do absolutely zero work on the Sabbath? the list goes on.

Christianity has become a laughable pick and choose religion. Don't get me wrong, I am glad people these days are shitty Christians, because the Bible calls for some fucked up shit out of its believers. Sexism? Yep. Slavery? Yep. Violence to the extent of murder towards "non-believers"? yep. Once again, the list goes on.

How someone can read the Bible and not be disgusted by the shit inside is behind me.

And don't tell me i am "missing the point". All of that nasty stuff was but in the Bible purposely and with intent. It didn't just slide in there along with all the happy "love thy neighbor" "don't be a dick" stuff.

Some people say, oh those nasty parts are outdated and do not apply to our modern society. Guess what? Religion is outdated and has no place in a modern, rational, free thinking society. there was a time when religion may have been necessary. That time has passed.
 
man, i guess i should have posted my religious rant here, instead of social thread. i blame christians for me not seeing this
~gR~
 
so recently here theyve been spamming our work email accounts promoting christian services. it bothered me, so i asked the guy to stop, he said no, so i tried to take up with my chain of command. my section sup said he was offended by my comments and he wouldnt pass it up. also, the guy sending out the emails got upset and sent our ops sup to speak to my boss about it.
all because i asked them to quit sending emails. i even reccomended a way to avoid future problems. they told me if i had a problem, take it up with the equal opportunity office, which would be a big deal. they would open an official investigation.

so instead of atleast discussing it, they told me to fuck off.
so, should i file an official complaint? these emails are really only the tip of the iceberg. ive been harassed by many people before.
~gR~
 
As I said in the social thread, if it bothers you and your bosses are ignoring what your saying or dismissing you it may be worth filing a complaint.
 
Evil? said:
One thing that has always really bothered me about all the Christians I know is that they ALL pick and choose what rules to follow.

Their sentences always start like this "Well, I am a Christian but..." and usually end with something like "I don't beleive that..."

I would think that to call yourself a Christian or at least a good Christian you would have to follow ALL the rules, not just a few. Doesn't being part of an organization or group mean following all of its rules?

It does not make sense to me that people think they can do this. They conveniently choose all of the things that back up their personal beliefs and forget about the things that are a hassle, or inconvenient to them.

These are the people who use religion to bash gays or any other group they dislike and then turn around and do many things the Bible says not to. How many Christians actually tithe? Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't the Bible call for 10% of all earnings? How many Christians do absolutely zero work on the Sabbath? the list goes on.

Christianity has become a laughable pick and choose religion. Don't get me wrong, I am glad people these days are shitty Christians, because the Bible calls for some fucked up shit out of its believers. Sexism? Yep. Slavery? Yep. Violence to the extent of murder towards "non-believers"? yep. Once again, the list goes on.

How someone can read the Bible and not be disgusted by the shit inside is behind me.

And don't tell me i am "missing the point". All of that nasty stuff was but in the Bible purposely and with intent. It didn't just slide in there along with all the happy "love thy neighbor" "don't be a dick" stuff.

Some people say, oh those nasty parts are outdated and do not apply to our modern society. Guess what? Religion is outdated and has no place in a modern, rational, free thinking society. there was a time when religion may have been necessary. That time has passed.
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I agree with you to some extent. I hate the "pick and choose" metality, within Christianity and outside of Christianity where people make up a set of beliefs that is comfortable for them.

Where I think there is a problem with your statements is that there is a difference between "old covenant" Judaism and "new covenant" Christianity. It's really all presented as two stages of one system. The new covenant is based on grace and what Christ did. The old system was very ritualistic and was based much on blood sacrifice and having a priest go to God on your behalf. The new is based on the blood of Christ, once for all, and freedom from "The Law".

Aside from that, I believe there is a distinction between people intending to follow the whole thing and falling short, and those who pick and choose.
 
so do you believe the crusades were just? or do you choose to ignore that part? just asking, because you didnt seem to adress pick and choose religion in your post
~gR~
 
AchrisK said:
No, you see we are talking about two different things. The origin of life is separate from the origin of the universe. Science has many theories on the origin of the universe and on the evolution of living organisms, but when it comes to how life began, they have nothing that doesn't have huge problems.
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Actually there are multiple theories of both the origin of the universe and the origin of life.... all of which have problems and none of which are certan. As far as theories of evolution of living organisms the dominant theory is of course Neo-Darwinism but even in here there are disagreements on certain aspects of this theory.

genocide roach said:
so do you believe the crusades were just? or do you choose to ignore that part? just asking, because you didnt seem to adress pick and choose religion in your post
~gR~
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I think he would respond that since he's not Catholic the crusades are not his problem and hence he doesn't have to "deal" with them. Of course he still has to deal with all of the mass genocides ordained by god in the bible (Num. 31:17-18, 1 Sam. 15:1-4, etc.).
 
genocide roach said:
so do you believe the crusades were just? or do you choose to ignore that part? just asking, because you didnt seem to adress pick and choose religion in your post
~gR~
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I think he would respond that since he's not Catholic the crusades are not his problem and hence he doesn't have to "deal" with them. Of course he still has to deal with all of the mass genocides ordained by god in the bible (Num. 31:17-18, 1 Sam. 15:1-4, etc.).
 
genocide roach said:
so do you believe the crusades were just? or do you choose to ignore that part? just asking, because you didnt seem to adress pick and choose religion in your post
~gR~
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Are you talking to me?

I do not agree with the idea behind the crusades. I think that type of thing was never commanded or condoned, generally speaking. Yes there were instances where the people of Israel were told to wipe out other people, but those were specific instances. It was never commanded even in the old testament as a general good idea. Yeah, I can see how the people doing the crusades might try to justify their actions based on those events, but I think they were really just looking to justify their own selfish and self-righteous ambitions.
 
Thoth-Amon said:
I think he would respond that since he's not Catholic the crusades are not his problem and hence he doesn't have to "deal" with them. Of course he still has to deal with all of the mass genocides ordained by god in the bible (Num. 31:17-18, 1 Sam. 15:1-4, etc.).
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yeah, i just picked an event to make my point.

i wonder if there is a site that lists all of these bible passages that promote genocide, etc.
~gR~
 
Thoth-Amon said:
I think he would respond that since he's not Catholic the crusades are not his problem and hence he doesn't have to "deal" with them. Of course he still has to deal with all of the mass genocides ordained by god in the bible (Num. 31:17-18, 1 Sam. 15:1-4, etc.).
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Actually, I don't have to deal with them, God does. If he is the creator of life, then he has the right to take life. I don't necessarily fully understand the justification that God had, but as the creator, and as one who knows the future, and can likely see it all at once, apparently he had reasons.
 
Heres another event.

Do you agree how the early church forcefully "raped" pagan religions by forcing thier holidays on the same days as pagan holidays, forced baptism and conversion, used pagan iconography (Such as the trident of posieden and the goat head) to represent satan? How about forcefully taking over pagan sights and making them chapels, and getting rid of all evidence of the pagan religions?
 
AchrisK said:
Actually, I don't have to deal with them, God does. If he is the creator of life, then he has the right to take life. I don't necessarily fully understand the justification that God had, but as the creator, and as one who knows the future, and can likely see it all at once, apparently he had reasons.
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Actually God gives the reason why he orders the genocide of man, woman and child of the Amalekites in 1 Sam. 15:1-4. He's quite clear as to why even the infants need to be put to death. Namely because 400 years earlier the Amalekites ancestors attacked the ancestors of the Israelits. Honestly that's like putting every white man in america in prison because 200 years ago white men owned slaves. Isn't it obvious that passages such as these reveal the very human and flawed nature of the bible?
 
Thoth-Amon said:
Actually God gives the reason why he orders the genocide of man, woman and child of the Amalekites in 1 Sam. 15:1-4. He's quite clear as to why even the infants need to be put to death. Namely because 400 years earlier the Amalekites ancestors attacked the ancestors of the Israelits. Honestly that's like putting every white man in america in prison because 200 years ago white men owned slaves. Isn't it obvious that passages such as these reveal the very human and flawed nature of the bible?
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Ok, I meant justification. He had justification that took into account things that we may not be able to see, or if we did we may not understand or even agree with. But it doesn't nullify the fact that as the creator he has the right to make such decisions. It may or may not be like that example. The thing is, God says that his ways are not our ways. The thing is, is it that hard to fathom that you might not comprehend everything about a God who can create life?

There is always a disconnect in these arguments. If I believe that God created everything, then he is not limited by anything but himself, and most of these things are very minute issues. If you don't believe in this God, then you look to discredit the bible based on your human judgements of what it says.
 
Rabid Headbanger said:
Heres another event.

Do you agree how the early church forcefully "raped" pagan religions by forcing thier holidays on the same days as pagan holidays, forced baptism and conversion, used pagan iconography (Such as the trident of posieden and the goat head) to represent satan? How about forcefully taking over pagan sights and making them chapels, and getting rid of all evidence of the pagan religions?
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No, not really. Christianity is presented as a personal relationship with God. Yes we are told to tell others, but we are never told to force it on anyone. We are never told to moralize the world or make people behave in certain ways. Yeah, of course we should use our votes, just like anyone. Yeah, we can offer help and set up organizations that try to promote things we care about.

Did you want me to say yes?
 
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