The great innovators of Metal
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Einherjar86
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Ensiferum formed several years before Korpiklaani. For that matter, so did Finntroll.
If we're going to mention a folk metal band, it would have to be Skyclad.
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dream death were probly the first death/doom band, probably the best for that matter. stuff like asphyx and autopsy is part of that conversation too, and obviously winter and cathedral. and the godfather of all of this stuff is hellhammer of course.
agreed on fates warning, queensryche and watchtower for prog. but i'd happily also agree that fates warning weren't really prog - that'd explain why i love fates warning so much.
i hate calling 'depressive black metal' a genre, but if you're gonna start talking about strid then bethlehem have gotta be in there too.
definite agreement on sir lord baltimore for proto-metal! also stuff like cream, blue cheer, wishbone ash, iron butterfly.
let's face it though, the absolute most innovative bands tend to be those which people still struggle to define today. remember that argument about what the fuck celtic frost were?
agreed on fates warning, queensryche and watchtower for prog. but i'd happily also agree that fates warning weren't really prog - that'd explain why i love fates warning so much.
i hate calling 'depressive black metal' a genre, but if you're gonna start talking about strid then bethlehem have gotta be in there too.
definite agreement on sir lord baltimore for proto-metal! also stuff like cream, blue cheer, wishbone ash, iron butterfly.
let's face it though, the absolute most innovative bands tend to be those which people still struggle to define today. remember that argument about what the fuck celtic frost were?
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Dream Death were good but definitely not the best death/doom band, I'd reserve that for something like Winter or Divine Eve tbh.
Also, just because you dislike prog and like FW doesn't mean FW aren't prog
Re: Celtic Frost...I still don't fucking know. I'll admit that Hellhammer are probably the band most apt to be called "extreme metal" from that era though.
Also, just because you dislike prog and like FW doesn't mean FW aren't prog
Re: Celtic Frost...I still don't fucking know. I'll admit that Hellhammer are probably the band most apt to be called "extreme metal" from that era though.
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How about Mahavishnu Orchestra ? http://www.last.fm/music/Mahavishnu+Orchestra/The+Inner+Mounting+Flame
Mostly 'Meeting of the Spirits', Vital Transformation, and Awakening.
It may be classified as fusion, but some of it's bound to have influenced some metal bands.
Mostly 'Meeting of the Spirits', Vital Transformation, and Awakening.
It may be classified as fusion, but some of it's bound to have influenced some metal bands.
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Ahhh, Blue Cheer! When I made that post about Sir Lord Baltimore I was thinking "there's another band I want to mention, who were really heavy, but why the fuck can't I think of their name? Blue something..."
Blue fucking Cheer, most definitely, as progenitors of metal.
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I agree that Dream Death were the first, but how much death metal are they really? It was quite some time ago listened to them but iirc they are more of thrash/doom or something?
Very "proto"-sounding atleast. IMO Paradise Lost and Winter defined the sound. And Katatonia are obv the best. All bands you mentioned are ofcourse noteworthy though.
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Dunno if they've been mentioned, but I'd say Arcturus and Meshuggah had big impacts on their respective genres.
Fun fact- they were both founded in 1987.
Fun fact- they were both founded in 1987.
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Yeah, but Meshuggah was Metallica/Testament worship until 1991 (and even there, it was simply very technical Metallica worship). I don't know much about Arcturus' pre-debut career, but even the debut was significantly different from what came after.
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"Images & Words" had a way bigger impact. It's where the band crafted it's OWN sound that has not been replicated. There were still a lot of hints to a more traditional style on "WD&DU".
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Fuck, good call.
I was thinking of the non-death/doom folk metal thing; but still, you're correct.
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Ok, I took the first album off the entry.
I snuck a few updates onto the list (Atheist, DT and Priest) last night. I'll try to get more in later. I just picked a really bad time to resurrect this thread with the school semester coming to a close.
How come you have yet to add Stained Class to the entry for Judas Priest? It's probably their most influential and defining album.
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True, but they became pretty unique and influential after that. Destroy Erase Improve was a groundbreaking album and different from just about everything else going on in 1995.
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Not sure who it was, but someone if they know should add the first power metal band. I'm sure its Helloween?
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kind of depends how you define power metal. stuff like heavy load, manilla road, omen, jag panzer, manowar can be called early power metal as far as i'm concerned
Einherjar86
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Yeah, I said this earlier. Manilla Road definitely qualify as innovators for the U.S. power metal scene.
Helloween are innovators of the Euro-power sound, but that also draws from U.S.
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