The most underrated porg metal musician.

[Luis]

DT'S DOWN HILL JOURNEY? Have you heard " scenes from a memory"? I would hardly call that down hill. :hotjump:

Ok Have you heard "Six Degrees" and the last disc? I would easily call that down hill.

 

[soundgarden]

I think some of you are mistaking DT for Dream Theater. I think they meant Devin Townsend.

 

[SyXified]

I can't understand how anyone can like devin townsend's music. He is to prog as Metallica is to metal. The most bland, obvious, contrived music that sounds like someone who has been playing guitar for a couple months decided to crank out an album. All his riffs are things that if I played just noodling around I would be unhappy with, let alone going so far as to use them in a song. He's a funny guy and has a good attitude, but man is his stuff duller than dirt. That being said every time I look at this thread I laugh at the idea of a 'porg' musician. Congrats on that spelling mistake, it's funny as hell. I bet Meatloaf is a porg musician

 

[arglebargle]

Devin's music is unique, I'll give him that, but I think it's pretty dull.

 

[Ayreon Guardian X]

Sorry, but the masterpiece that people trendily dislike known as Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is an awesome 2CD set....the 6 Degrees song is awesome and the entire first disc is a classic, with a tribute song to Tool being the weakest song on the disc (and that isn't saying much knowing how cool that song is - btw, Tool had some prog vibes and sound, thus probably being why that tribute was written...). Train of Thought continues this excellence started with Awake and interrupted by Falling Into Infinity before continuing with Scenes From a Memory and 6 Degrees. Train of Thought is Dream Theater's "Odyssey"....it's their successful attempt at making a Heavy Progressive Metal album.

I will defend 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence as a good album to the death....as will I for Train of Thought.....they may not quite be as good as Awake, Scenes, or SymX's Odyssey, Divine Wings, or V, but they are still awesome, well written classic prog metal discs....

 

[MC Pee pants]

I agree with Ayreon Guardian X. Dream Theaters Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is a great album, and while it might not be on par with Symphony X, that was probably because they were taking their music in a different direction. You have to understand, there is a fundamental difference in the styles between Symphony X and Dream Theater. While Symphony X is a little bit better as a band, Dream Theater's songs preach morales. For instance, The Great Debate from Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Disc One. If you listen to it, this song is saying that we should go for Stem Cell Research, and not be afraid of the consequences. Also, Dream Theater is much more Rock than Metal. I didn't really consider them a prog band until they made Train of Thought. That doesn't make them any less of a band. They are just much more mellow than Symphony X, which is a nice change sometimes.

To get back to the main point, you can't say that Dream Theater is any less of a band than Symphony X. In my mind, they are totally equal. What little Dream Theater lacks in musical quality, they make up for with the thoughtfulness of their songs.


P.S
If Jordan Rudess was a Jedi, and John Myung was a Ninja, who would win? This has been an argument between me and my friend for a while. I think John would win, but he thinks Jordan. Also, my friend thinks that John Petrucci is an amorphous blob who's guitar is his mouth, and the sound coming from him is him singing. He also thinks that James LeBrie is the spirit of all of the trees in North America, because he is Canadian. If you don't agree, please catagorize the other two. We also need something for Mike Portnoy. Thanks.

 

[dargormudshark]

I liked Train of Though except for a few parts in songs. The rapping really turned me off and a few other parts. Their are some good melodies and and some cool arranging, I think should of had someone else produce it instead of them.

I like 3 songs off SDOIT, Dissapear is probably one of my favorite songs ever, well it ranks up their, I like the lyrics alot. The stuff I don't like I can't stand.

I actually think Falling Into Infinity does not get bashed enough.

 

[DoktorShred]

I liked Train of Though except for a few parts in songs. The rapping really turned me off and a few other parts. Their are some good melodies and and some cool arranging, I think should of had someone else produce it instead of them.

I like 3 songs off SDOIT, Dissapear is probably one of my favorite songs ever, well it ranks up their, I like the lyrics alot. The stuff I don't like I can't stand.

I actually think Falling Into Infinity does not get bashed enough.

Yeah, out of all their works 6degrees and TOT took me the longest to get into, but now i love both of them. TOT seriously rocks when you play it extra loud, and i believe they achieved exactly what they set out to do with that album.

6 degrees is a copmletely different kettle of fish. DT said they wanted to do the opposite of scenes and give each track a completely individual character, each one with unique sound effects, patches and production, which i think turned out really great. The only downside of this album for me is the second disc is littered with really bad cheesey lyrics (mostly portnoys), which is a shame as i thought the concept material for this epic was an excellent idea.

PS. Dissapear is also one of my favourite songs

 

[Kronikle66]

If you listen to it, this song is saying that we should go for Stem Cell Research, and not be afraid of the consequences.

Funny, I got the exact opposite impression.

 

[DoktorShred]

I read that it presented the pros and cons of each argument and let the listener decide.

That song would've been good if it weren't for the lame samples (which DT actually usually does very well)

 

[Rose Immortal]

I just recently started getting into Dream Theater and I was hoping for a bit of advice on what album to get next.

So far, I have 3, and here they are in order of how much I liked them: Awake (excellent!), Scenes from a Memory, and Images and Words.

 

[soundgarden]

I just recently started getting into Dream Theater and I was hoping for a bit of advice on what album to get next.

So far, I have 3, and here they are in order of how much I liked them: Awake (excellent!), Scenes from a Memory, and Images and Words.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is thier best work. After that buy Metropolis Pt. 2

 

[Luis]

This topic is not about DT.

 

[Luis]

More opinions?

 

[Kenneth R.]

Jasun Tipton & the rest of Zero Hour.

 

[Metropolis Part 2]

There are a lot of underrated Progressive musicians, here are some:

Tom Bodin- Flower Kings
Andy Kuntz- Vanden Plas, Abydos (Buy their new cd!)
Jim Matheos- OSI, Fates Warning
Daniel Gildenlow- Pain Of Salvation (He is a God, thats for sure)
Clive Nolan- Enchant
Ron and Bobby Jarz- Spastic Ink (not enough credit given to the brothers!!, visit their forums!)

I don't think Jason Rullo is underrated at all, its just that he's not the best Progressive drummer ever, but hes one of the best. He can give Mike Portnoy a run for his money, barely.

But of course, Kevin Moore is perhaps the most underrated Progressive Metal figure ever. As much as I love later Dream Theater works without Kevin Moore, I noticed that Dream Theater lost a big chunk of their sound. Kevin Moore all the way!!

 

[Liquid Shadow]

I actually think Falling Into Infinity does not get bashed enough.

I find it hard to bash an album with songs like:
New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Hell's Kitchen (oh my God! )
Lines in the Sand
Trial of Tears
Just Let Me Breathe


I think that a few of the songs are clunkers, but FII has some of DT's absolute best work on it...IMO of course.

 

[Rose Immortal]

I just put in my vote for Kevin Moore, formerly of Dream Theater.

I would've given it to Jason Rullo except for the fact that he's so well respected on this board. As for Kevin Moore, why I think he deserves the "underrated" award is that I think he was singlehandedly responsible for keeping Dream Theater's music under control for the time he was there. He knew how to keep them from showing off too much and he was also a very good musician not because he could play 1000 notes a minute, but because he knew when it WAS and was NOT appropriate to play. That kind of minimalist approach definitely kept the rest of the band in check. He also wrote some very, VERY good music. Pink Floyd fans should understand this comparison: he's a lot like the metal version of Rick Wright.

And to clinch my point, DT had a pretty big meltdown after he left. They've done some stuff since then that had interesting aspects, but never again a masterpiece like Awake.

 

[Metropolis Part 2]

Mhmm.. I'll have to disagree. Dream Theater can make masterpieces with or without Kevin Moore, they are just that talented.... I agree with you, he IS a metal version of Rick Wright, but Dream Theater's latest album Train of Thought is great. Its just too hard to find a bad album in a discography like Dream Theater's

@Liquid Shadow- I think Falling Into Infinity does not receive the credit it does. Its a very good release, even though its not very technical or "commercial". Hey, its still better than 99 percent of the crap on TV these days.... And How can you fucking bash the song "Hell's Kitchen".... You just can't. I love that album and so far about every one of Dream Theater's releases. Every one album has its differences and variations:

WDADU- Hard-Rockish
IAW- Classic Prog Rock Influenced
Awake- "Grungy"
FII- "Pink Floyd-like" or more "psychodelic"
SFAM- Concept album
SDIOT- Long-ass song and heavier guitars
TOT- Uber-Heavy riffing and "rapping"

 

[Rose Immortal]

Metropolis--I actually think Train of Thought is fairly decent. I just think it falls short of their Moore-era glory. As for Scenes from a Memory...I'm sorry, but that album just rambles on WAY too much and too slow to interest me in most places. Although "The Spirit Goes On" (is that the title? it's been awhile) makes me wanna cry it's so pretty.

But overall, I'm not too crazy about trying Six Degrees...that's a lot of money for me to spend when I'm not sure about it.