The Whining and Bitching Thread

[Matt]

When that bitch has put at least 4 yrs in the service, she will have a right to make statements about how it should be. Otherwise she can stfu. Fortunately her "little monster" fanbase is made up of mostly teens below voting age.

Actually, no. When the Defense Secretary comes out in support of it, typically it's something that should be done. Republicans are just horrible people and decided to play politics as usual.

 

[Dak]

Einherjer covered most of what my response would have been. Robert Gates is worthless, just like Rumsfeld, and not particularly because of this issue either.

This has nothing to do with politics and has to do with equality and consistency. As I said elsewhere, if they are going to repeal don't ask/don't tell, they need to drop all forms of gender segregation/gender specific standards in the military.

 

[Kara-Shehr]

As I said elsewhere, if they are going to repeal don't ask/don't tell, they need to drop all forms of gender segregation/gender specific standards in the military.

thats a good point but one issue at a time though this shit takes time to get resolved.

 

[Dak]

Sure, if one issue at a time then lets fix the standards/segregation first. But of course then women would complain.

 

[Kara-Shehr]

im just saying you can't expect much from american government

 

[Einherjar86]

um what? so someone's popularity equates to how credible their opinion is? Im sorry you lost me at that point. And what do you mean by "stuff" exactly?

um what? right back at you.

Lady Gaga isn't popular because of her opinion. She's popular because of her music. That's completely fine (i.e. I don't give a shit if she's popular, I'm not saying she shouldn't be).

What I'm saying is that her opinion isn't an expert opinion. It can be a moral and ethical opinion, but because of her popularity she's in a prime position to sway the opinion's of others by appealing to her own celebrity status (it's inherent in her action). Granted, it's not her fault; but in my opinion, using one's fame as a soap box for spreading his or her beliefs is an immature and unnecessary act.

EDIT: I think I see where I confused you. I'm not claiming that the people who are worth reading are necessarily, or must be, unpopular. I only meant that, in most cases, they are (insinuating that we're a culture that thrives on what the latest celebrity is doing and what he or she believes, rather than consulting professional resources).

I totally disagree that celebrities shouldn't use their fame to advance what they believe in. It would be disingenuous to do otherwise.

Whether she's right or not is beside the point. To be honest, I had no idea what she'd even said when I first commented on this.

Furthermore, it doesn't constitute disingenuousness to keep one's mouth shut. If "artists" want to incorporate their beliefs into their "art," that's fine. If they want to make films about homosexual soldiers or write songs about it, more power to them; I love Roger Waters's material, and Bruce Springsteen's, and Sean Penn's.

What I don't approve of is when the medium ends and it just turns into preaching. The audience participation in a work of art is lost when the artist just outright proclaims "This is wrong!" It's an exploitation of status to appeal to the fascination and loyalty of the fans.

 

[Kara-Shehr]

Thats all fine and dandy and I agree to an extent but since when do celebrities have an established code of ethics? they only have as much power as people give them, people are gonna make their minds up on an issue one way or another if they agree or disagree intially thats what it is. She's basically only preaching to the choir when she voices her opinion about this kind of stuff anyway.

Keep in my mind thats coming from a fan and someone who agrees with her (but thats not my point)

 

[Dak]

Anyone who likes anything about Gaga can't be taken seriously.

 

[Kara-Shehr]

your a cowboys fan. your the lowest filth that walks this fucking earth.

 

[Dak]

Sports team preference and liking that thing that makes hideous noise/videos aren't even close to being on the same level.

 

[skeptik]

I'd rather listen to Lady Gaga's political positions because she's not paid to give them than a pundit like Bill O'Reilly who is paid and makes a living on being inflammatory. And I'm pretty sure far more people take him seriously.

 

[Dak]

Because Gagas fame has nothing to do with being inflammatory? Bill O'Oreilly is just as worthless of course, as is any other talking head.

 

[Saparmurat_Niyazov]

I agree that if gays are to serve, then women should be allowed to participate in combat. Nothing wrong with being consistent.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Some fucking sub-moronic delinquent with a marker tagged my work van last night. Had to go and get the shit buffed out with cut & polish at my local detailer. I'd love to have caught the little fucker and coloured his whole face in with the fucking thing shortly before beating him repeatedly about the head with a blunt instrument.

 

[damnromulans]

Well, there weren't really any famous people at the beginning of time. I suppose there were only two.

And besides, I know that's not how it works; but it's definitely no use to just say "well, they're famous, they'll keep preachin,' nothin' we can do, durp durp durp."

That and the other stuff you wrote is the worst argument of all time. You're saying that because you buy someone's art that they ought to be limited to only producing art and they can't express their opinions on political matters? How stupid is that? It's of equal "no use" to go "well, they're famous and they'll keep preachin' and there's nothing we can do, so I'll bitch about it as if what I think will change it."

Also it is a bit ehh to compare gay men to women. Gay men are nowhere near as much of a liability as women in combat situations. Think about all the Southern gentlemen who went through cotillion and cannot fathom allowing a woman to stand on public transport. Their chivalrous attitudes would get in the way big time.

 

[King Richard]

I don't think women should be in the military at all personally. I think if you join the military, no matter what branch or job specialty, you should be willing and able to go to the front lines if need be. It's a waste of time and money to have women in the military if they aren't allowed to be in combat. There's no job in the military that all men couldn't do.

 

[Mort Divine]

Anyone who likes anything about Gaga can't be taken seriously.

Can't be taken seriously for a musician you dislike on grounds of them being "connected to the Illuminati" or some other tin-foil-hattery such as that?

 

[damnromulans]

Wait, you're allowed to join and then refuse to go to the front lines?

 

[King Richard]

As a man no, if you're reassigned to an infantry unit then you have no choice. As a woman, it will just never happen, because you're a woman, and that's the only reason.

 

[PowerBlade]

That doesn't make sense... And women talk about equal rights? Soon men will talk about that!