Thrash vs NWOBHM?

[Halberd3]

So in regards to balance between rhythm and melody. Have you heard thrash metal bands that have found a good balance between their rhythms and melodies? And didn't exactly burnout? The most I can think of is...well shit maybe Slayer on South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Overkill and Testament come to mind.

 

[Halberd3]

Overkill and Testament come to mind.

And because of that they're still around making good albums.

 

[Wyvern]

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On topic: to me you cannot compare. Each sub-genre appeal different to the listener. And consider NWOBHM a sub-genre is VERY relative, as an era it comprises bands from Def Leppard to Venom, Saracen to Pariah, so it is not a proper sub-genre like trash can be accommodated.

If we put the UK bands that made a sound between 1979 and 1985 (roughly) as traditional metal, yeah I do prefer it more than thrash. I guess a matter of age and how I started in metal (Iron Maiden)

 

[Halberd3]

Well another thing I've reckoned. Coming from my dad's point of view (whom he is more of punk rocker more than a metalhead) he's stated that the issues he's had with traditional heavy metal was it being overproduced and guitar spammed. It displayed too much technicality and it wasn't simple enough to get its point across, like he went to see Black Sabbath live in 1981 with his brother. People were just sitting around doing really nothing. Maybe it's personal tastes and he'd rather be moshing insanely and stage diving and making the crowd alive. In some cases I may agree there. But that technicality is something to look at and just gaze on at powerful some of that stuff. Don't get me wrong. I love thrash metal and I love simplicity too. But sometimes some things can be too simple to the point it can boring quicker and literally makes one think "Is this all they can really do?" Or they may just be too predictable. But then again that can go both ways.

 

[CiG]

Your dad sounds like a fool.

 

[Halberd3]

Your dad sounds like a fool.

I know. I think he is sometimes.

 

[CiG]

We all are sometimes.

 

[Halberd3]

Musicians actually being capable with their instruments, how dare they!

I know right. He can be dumb sometimes. But maybe simple is all he needs.

 

[Halberd3]

Simple is great if it's done well, but if you're upset by musicians actually being competent or even technical, then that's just sad.

I know. But...On the bright side. Thank god there's a New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal. I guess some people got tired of fast pacing and too much brutality. But at the same time there's been a New Wave of Thrash Metal.

 

[Halberd3]

Also should I turn this into a poll?

 

[Half_Can]

I like both! I love Saxon every bit as much as I do Destruction among others.

 

[Half_Can]

The only NWOBHM band that didn't do much for me after awhile is Raven. I don't know why, but they just don't. I own 'Wiped Out' and seldom listen to it. Maybe I'll listen to it again sometime and see if I change my opinion. I love Angel Witch's debut. I like to stay away from YouTube and iTunes and stuff like that when it comes to my metal and listen to it on album instead because I feel it's more elite. If I'm interested in buying an album, I'll sample it first and then buy the CD, or I'll order it if I have to. I long for the days of old sometimes, when there used to be a lot more novelty in being a metalhead before the digital age, such as the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I have cassette tapes even that are now pretty hard to find and still listen to them. I imagine on this site there are plenty of elite metalheads that believe in buying albums instead of downloading, although YouTube and downloading is a good way to expose yourself to as many bands as possible, the true, elite old school should always prefer tradition and listen to the music on album, in whatever form instead. CD sales are declining, but that doesn't bother me. As poor as I am I still find myself able to shell out the dough for an album I really want, always.

Anyone else the same way? Who else prefers listening to their favorite bands on album rather than MP3 or YouTube?

 

[Halberd3]

I like both! I love Saxon every bit as much as I do Destruction among others.

Do you have preferences?

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Musicians actually being capable with their instruments, how dare they!

Back in middle school, some of my friends and I went to our school's talent show and played Deja-Vu by Iron Maiden. We must have rehearsed that for weeks. Finally, we ended up playing it (flawlessly, might I add) only to be critiqued that it was "too busy". No, really. We lost to a cheerleading routine. I'm not even kidding. This is what they do to good musicians.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Deja Vu is basically one of the best Iron Maiden songs ever recorded too. The guitar parts on that thing are fourth-degree face melter level shit. That's just absurd. Did you have a singer, just out of random curiosity?

Yeah, we did.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Anyone else the same way? Who else prefers listening to their favorite bands on album rather than MP3 or YouTube?

I use Youtube for exposure but if I can find the album on a CD or a cassette, I'll do it.

 

[Halberd3]

Also I realize two things have came from both movements.

From NWOBHM: Speed and Power Metal

From Thrash: Death and Black Metal.

Those being direct evolutions. Considering how Thrash evolved somewhat from NWOBHM, it took from the American hardcore punk movement and added.

 

[Wyvern]

The only NWOBHM band that didn't do much for me after awhile is Raven

Ditto here. I just can't click with them.

I have cassette tapes even that are now pretty hard to find and still listen to them. I imagine on this site there are plenty of elite metalheads that believe in buying albums instead of downloading, although YouTube and downloading is a good way to expose yourself to as many bands as possible, the true, elite old school should always prefer tradition and listen to the music on album, in whatever form instead. CD sales are declining, but that doesn't bother me. As poor as I am I still find myself able to shell out the dough for an album I really want, always.

Anyone else the same way? Who else prefers listening to their favorite bands on album rather than MP3 or YouTube?

If you check Amazon the new Testament album will come in cassette version too. I think that says a lot.

I still recording my blank tapes for use in the car deck, or my room or even a walkman. I don't use the latter much because I bough a 160 GB iPod and I have ripped my whole collection into it (and still have space) for the gym or certain outdoor activities.

As for the CD, people predicted the dead of vinyl and DVD too, and those are still here. IMHO a true fan (specially metal) buy the albums and play them (like I'm doing right now while typing). MP3s and download are for the same people into pop who use to buy a single or just listen to radio.

 

[Bryant]

I have really never been "sub-genre specific." In fact, I am not even completely genre specific. Although I am a self proclaimed "metal-head" and listen to metal more than 90% of the time, I like rock and other stuff too. I don't really have a preference for one or the other when it comes to NWOBHM vs thrash. I like bands and artists over genres/sub-genres.