TRIGGER Intro Video and NEWS
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This is a demo, no one has had the chance to really see if this is any good yet at all, so the hundred posts are pretty much nonexistent, this is the first real test of it anyone has had, to see if it lives up to the "hype" - I think you got this confused with "critical acclaim".
Adam is posting some perfectly valid comments that quite rightly need to be addressed, as he's a potential customer he can say anything he wants to other people interested in buying that may be let down by an issue like this. There's no loyalty to a product you buy, its there for a certain use, so he can say whatever he wants.
Also, you're getting angry and aggressive like this is some personal offense to you, when I didnt even see him addressing you in any way at all, so you should cool down a bit.
AdamWathan
Member
Those four hits were a 16th note roll at 180bpm or so, so it's quite fast.From those four hits... yeah. I'd like to see it on a buzz roll though.
drew_drummer
Dancefap
Orly. Interestiiiingg.... Will give Aptrigga a try today. I just did our three live tracks we recored on Monday with Drumtracker. But I'm looking for a more realtime solution. Trigger could do it, or Aptrigga. Drumagog is not an option... don't like it.
AdamWathan
Member
I posted the snare track in the Gearslutz thread immediately after you gave me the option. You ignore it and haven't done shit with it, so stop using this excuse. How is one hit not an example? That one hit was flamming, that is enough for me to have to go in and manually fix it, and according to the Slate dudes I should never have to do that, Trigger is a magic plugin that will do everything perfectly.
It's called excitement. Everyone has been waiting for this plugin for months and there is always an initial period of "holy crap this rules!" just like there was when Drumagog came out, but now everyone shit talks Drumagog.
Every other plugin in Reaper renders with the latency corrected. Trigger does not. If I didn't shift it to line it up after the fact there would be 20ms between every hit. I am not a retard, I know how to line up sample. I would say like 9/10 hits sounded PERFECT and were exactly where they should be after I lined them up. If I moved the track at all from that position, everything would flam, so don't tell me I shouldn't have moved them, because if I was supposed to leave it where it was then Trigger is even worse than I am making it out to be. Here are my settings:
It triggers perfectly fine when it is 100% replacing. For blending it will not work, and there is no "fix random hits that don't trigger in the right place" slider. All of the settings have to do with detecting the hits in the first place, not where to put them, I am not an idiot.
The point of my posts is to show that Trigger is not phase accurate, and at least on my system using my drum tracks, it isn't. Same deal with several guys on the Gearslutz thread. It is close, but it is not close enough that I can throw it on, print my track and be done. I still have to go through every hit one by one and make sure they are where they should be because I still hear it flamming against the original track.
I posted it on Gearslutz, try it yourself.
AdamWathan
Member
Just for fun, here it is with the free DrumReaplacer for Reaper plugin compared as well, also more accurate than Trigger, good price too Supports random multisamples and multiple velocities all at once as well, with dynamics and variation control to control articulations much like Trigger does. All coded in a text editor by a guy in Sweden just for fun in his spare time.
Anyways, I'm done here, I don't really give a fuck what Methull has to say about how incompetent I am and how I don't know how to setup a plugin. All I know is that Trigger is not good enough for me to spend $150 on it. My current drum replacement plugins aren't good enough either but they are better than Trigger so I'll be sticking with what I have.
Anyone else who wants to jump on the hype bandwagon feel free, but hopefully the guys here who are a little more cautious and critical will do some serious testing and take into account my experience to make sure it'll work for them before blowing their load over the demo... I know I just saved $150.
Supports random multisamples and multiple velocities all at once as well, with dynamics and variation control to control articulations much like Trigger does. All coded in a text editor by a guy in Sweden just for fun in his spare time.
Anyways, I'm done here, I don't really give a fuck what Methull has to say about how incompetent I am and how I don't know how to setup a plugin. All I know is that Trigger is not good enough for me to spend $150 on it. My current drum replacement plugins aren't good enough either but they are better than Trigger so I'll be sticking with what I have.
Anyone else who wants to jump on the hype bandwagon feel free, but hopefully the guys here who are a little more cautious and critical will do some serious testing and take into account my experience to make sure it'll work for them before blowing their load over the demo... I know I just saved $150.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
AdamWathan
Member
Didn't realize the link was broken, anyways here it is:
http://www.adamwathan.com/trigger/trigsnare.wav (uploading now, should be done by the time you see this though)
Nothing fancy, just a regular old metal band snare track.
http://www.adamwathan.com/trigger/trigsnare.wav (uploading now, should be done by the time you see this though)
Nothing fancy, just a regular old metal band snare track.
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
^^^ Dude, are you serious?
You're probably about one more post from being banned ... shut up already. Let Slate himself deal with the answers to Adam's questions.
Unless ... you ARE Slate and you're fuckin with him. Other than that highly improbably scenario, STFU already
EDIT: Ooops! My arrows were not pointed at you Adam, I was responding to Methull
You're probably about one more post from being banned ... shut up already. Let Slate himself deal with the answers to Adam's questions.
Unless ... you ARE Slate and you're fuckin with him. Other than that highly improbably scenario, STFU already
EDIT: Ooops! My arrows were not pointed at you Adam, I was responding to Methull
Joshua Wickman
Yes Sir!
I'm on Protools 8.0
The trigger demo just installs the .dpm file in protools right? I ask cause i would delete the Trigger .dpm file and then try to install again.
What happens is when protools is loading it hangs up on the trigger plugin and it acts like it does not see the license. I have the same problem if I forget to put my Ilok in for other plugins.
Is there a way to delete the demo from my Ilok and try and install the license again maybe?
I'm super bummed I'm losing days on my demo time period and I cant even test this plugin :-(
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
you're too late
Hahaha
BTW Lasse ..just to go off topic for a moment, I finally got your 1st email response with the link you had sent .. paypal must have been jammed up or something
AdamWathan, could you provide teh moment where the plugin screws up on you snare, I mean the time from timeline? I would like to try it myself with your snare - so it would be perfect to look at the same hits you are talking about. Thanks!
drew_drummer
Dancefap
AdamWathan
Member
The first "out" hit in my rendering was at 0:21.08. I had to manually line up the first sample because everything was out by about 20ms but this may just be a slight incompatibility with the way Reaper works, that's not a big deal. But yeah, once you make sure the first hit is correctly lined up, that's the first hit that was misplaced for me.
Again, this can't be argued that "oh it's not sample accurate but it's phase accurate" because look at the waveforms. They are almost perfectly OUT of phase
Again, this can't be argued that "oh it's not sample accurate but it's phase accurate" because look at the waveforms. They are almost perfectly OUT of phase
AdamWathan
Member
Question for those in the know, when Trigger is checking for "phase accuracy" is it actually checking the phase of the sample it's using to replace the track with as well, or is it just going by the start of the sample? Because if it is, then theoretically I could use a wav sample of a snare that had like 2 seconds of empty space before the actual snare hit, and Trigger would still use the actual snare hit in the sample? I wish I could load wavs to test this, because if that doesn't work, then it is very clearly basing it's replacement off of the beginning of the sample, not the transient of the sample. Hopefully that makes sense to anyone reading.
Basically, if Trigger is really analyzing the incoming transient, AND the transient of the loaded sample, there should be no need to cut your samples at the transient, you should be able to sloppily chop up your samples however you want and Trigger should work perfectly fine since it's comparing "the phase of the transient" not the the incoming transient to the start time of the loaded sample.
Basically, if Trigger is really analyzing the incoming transient, AND the transient of the loaded sample, there should be no need to cut your samples at the transient, you should be able to sloppily chop up your samples however you want and Trigger should work perfectly fine since it's comparing "the phase of the transient" not the the incoming transient to the start time of the loaded sample.
drew_drummer
Hey, I already downloaded this file, I'm interesting in "bad hits" cause I'm having only a plus\minus 15 samples of inaccuracy on this snare record an checking it in random places,
PS I'm Russian, so I've registered a year ago, but ma English is not perfect, so I prefer only reading this and gearsluts forume 8))) Writing is not my cup of tea... sorry, I hope ypu will understand me.. =/
Hey, I already downloaded this file, I'm interesting in "bad hits" cause I'm having only a plus\minus 15 samples of inaccuracy on this snare record an checking it in random places,
PS I'm Russian, so I've registered a year ago, but ma English is not perfect, so I prefer only reading this and gearsluts forume 8))) Writing is not my cup of tea... sorry, I hope ypu will understand me.. =/
