Viking mythology and all that goes with it

[Tyra]

No, not necessarily. It's like the difference between, say, a pentecostal Christian congregation and a lutheran one. Both are devout Christian congregations, they may just not agree on the exact order of the service. One system is old, one is newer. Both "work" for those who choose to attend their particular congregation.
There is no dogma in asatru, though, so there is nothing that says that you cannot attempt to "recreate things" according to your own feelings and understanding of the old ways. I personally am very stauch in the way I worship, do not mix in stuff I don't know was there. Some do, because they feel it feels right to them. Who are we to say their way of connecting with their deities is wrong? (Although at some point you get to that point where what you have ended up with must go under a different name, because it is so different from the original way. Then it might be called "wicca" or "Odinism" or "right-wing political groups" or something like that...)

 

[Sleipnir]

No, not necessarily. It's like the difference between, say, a pentecostal Christian congregation and a lutheran one. Both are devout Christian congregations, they may just not agree on the exact order of the service. One system is old, one is newer. Both "work" for those who choose to attend their particular congregation.
There is no dogma in asatru, though, so there is nothing that says that you cannot attempt to "recreate things" according to your own feelings and understanding of the old ways. I personally am very stauch in the way I worship, do not mix in stuff I don't know was there. Some do, because they feel it feels right to them. Who are we to say their way of connecting with their deities is wrong? (Although at some point you get to that point where what you have ended up with must go under a different name, because it is so different from the original way. Then it might be called "wicca" or "Odinism" or "right-wing political groups" or something like that...)

Are you going to ever make it out here for a blót or what? I mean, what does a guy have to do?

 

[Tyra]

Yeah, at some point we'll have to make it out. So far, it's been either a money or a time issue, but that'll both get better.

 

[Xyercies]

Divided between the Æsir and the Vanir, and sometimes including the jötnar (giants), the dividing line between these groups is less than clear. However, it is usually accepted that the Æsir (including Odin, Thor and Tyr) were warrior gods, while the Vanir (mainly Niord, Freya and Freyr) were fertility gods. Various other groups of beings, including elves, dwarves and jotun were probably minor gods, and might have had small cults and sacred places devoted to them.

* Ægir (Ruler of the sea. Consort: Ran)
* Andhrímnir (Chef of the gods.)
* Aurvandil (A minor character in the Skáldskaparmál with cognates in other Germanic tales.)
* Balder (God of beauty, innocence, peace, and rebirth. Consort: Nanna)
* Borr (Father of Odin, Vili and Ve. Consort: Bestla)
* Bragi (God of poetry. Consort: Iðunn)
* Búri (The first god and father of Borr.)
* Dagr (God of the daytime, son of Delling and Nótt.)
* Delling (God of dawn and father of Dagr by Nótt.)
* Eir (Goddess of healing.)
* Elli (Goddess of old age.)
* Forseti (God of justice, peace and truth. Son of Baldr and Nanna.)
* Freyja (Goddess of love, sexuality, fertility and battle. Consort: Óðr)
* Freyr (God of fertility. Consort: Gerd)
* Frigg (Goddess of marriage and motherhood. Consort: Odin)
* Fulla (Frigg´s handmaid.)
* Gefjun (Goddess of fertility and plough.)
* Hel (Ruler of Hel, the Norse underworld.)
* Heimdall (One of the Æsir and guardian of Ásgard, their realm.)
* Hermóðr (Odin´s son.)
* Hlín (Goddess of consolation.)
* Höðr (God of winter.)
* Hœnir (The silent god.)
* Iðunn (Goddess of youth. Consort: Bragi.)
* Jord (Goddess of the Earth. Mother of Thor by Odin.)
* Kvasir (God of inspiration.)
* Lofn (Goddess of love.)
* Loki (Trickster and god of mischief. Consort: Sigyn)
* Magni (Son of Thor and Jarnsaxa and God of might and strength.)
* Máni (God of Moon.)
* Miming (God of forest.)
* Mímir (Odin´s uncle.)
* Modi (Thor´s son and God of rage.)
* Nanna (An Ásynja married with Baldr and mother to Forseti.)
* Nerthus (A goddess mentioned by Tacitus. Her name is connected to that of Njord.)
* Njord (God of sea ,wind ,fish and wealth.)
* Nótt (Goddess of night, daughter of Narvi and mother of Auð, Jord and Dagr by Naglfari, Annar and Delling, respectively.)
* Odin (Lord of the Æsir. God of both wisdom and war. Consort: Frigg.)
* Óttar (mythology)
* Ran (Keeper of the drowned. Consort: Ægir)
* Saga (mythology) (An obscure goddess, possibly another name for Frigg.)
* Sif (Wife of Thor)
* Sjöfn (Goddess of love.)
* Skaði (Njord's wife.)
* Snotra (Goddess of prudence.)
* Sol (Goddess of Sun.)
* Thor (God of thunder and battle. Consort: Sif.)
* Thrud (Goddess of war.)
* Tyr (God of war and justice.)
* Ullr (God of ski, hunt and duel. Son of Sif.)
* Váli (God of revenge.)
* Var (Goddess of contract.)
* Vé (One of the three gods of creation. Brother of Odin and Vili.)
* Vidar (God of revenge.)
* Vili (One of the three gods of creation. Brother of Odin and Vé.)
* Vör (Goddess of wisdom.)

Pseudo-Norse gods and goddesses
Some characters sometimes presented as Norse deities do not occur in the ancient sources.

* Astrild (Actually a synonym for Amor and Cupid invented and used by Nordic Baroque and Rococo authors. Might be confused with Freya.)
* Jofur (Actually a synonym for Jupiter invented and used by Nordic Baroque and Rococo authors. Might be confused with Thor.)

The following pseudo-deities are presented in Encyclopedia Mythica as Norse.

* Brono (Claimed to be the god of daylight and the son of Baldr. Original source unknown. Might be confused with Dagr or Forseti.)
* Geirrendour (Claimed to be the father of the billow maidens. Original source unknown. Might be confused with Ægir.)
* Glúm (Claimed to be an attendant of Frigg. Source unknown.)
* Laga (Claimed to be the goddess of wells and springs. May be the same as Laha, a Keltic goddess of wells and springs.)



Source: http://paganpedia.mind-n-magick.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Norse_gods

 

[Xyercies]

No, not necessarily. It's like the difference between, say, a pentecostal Christian congregation and a lutheran one. Both are devout Christian congregations, they may just not agree on the exact order of the service. One system is old, one is newer. Both "work" for those who choose to attend their particular congregation.
There is no dogma in asatru, though, so there is nothing that says that you cannot attempt to "recreate things" according to your own feelings and understanding of the old ways. I personally am very stauch in the way I worship, do not mix in stuff I don't know was there. Some do, because they feel it feels right to them. Who are we to say their way of connecting with their deities is wrong? (Although at some point you get to that point where what you have ended up with must go under a different name, because it is so different from the original way. Then it might be called "wicca" or "Odinism" or "right-wing political groups" or something like that...)

i've been hearing a lot of stuff about odinism, and that its soo bad. whats wrong with wanting to whorship odin? i do.

 

[Tyra]

i've been hearing a lot of stuff about odinism, and that its soo bad. whats wrong with wanting to whorship odin? i do.

NOTHING!! Never said there was, just pointing out that Odinism is somewhat different from asatru. There is a fundamental difference, very much similar to that between sikhs and hindus (if I understan it correctly), in that one worships all the gods and goddesses, whereas the other sees them all as forms of the One deity.
All I was getting at was that at some point or another, one has to draw the line and say that a religion now officially has enough fundamental differences from the original one that it must be considered a religion of its own, with its own name.

Unfortunately, odinism has gotten itself a reputation associating i with many right wing extremist groups who have used the faith to further its agenda. This is very unfortunate, because mixing politics with religion is never a good thing.

 

[Knarfi]

Unfortunately, odinism has gotten itself a reputation associating i with many right wing extremist groups who have used the faith to further its agenda. This is very unfortunate, because mixing politics with religion is never a good thing.

Not that im what you called "right extremistic", but mixing politics with religion is what is happening these days a lot around the muslim countries. (like in iraq etc.) cant realy come up with an example, but there was some terrorist group in the gouvernement somewhere around those countries. well, we can all see what can happen if you involve your religion in politics too much if we look at the news, in my opinion.

btw, isnt this topic about mythology >< srry for this ot then

 

[Xyercies]

i knwo what yoru talkign about knarfi.

i think it was called the "polseque" or something along those lines. and yes they were a religious and polotical group who won the elections down in iraq. more by force than anythgin else. but, all's fair in love and war.

 

[Knarfi]

i knwo what yoru talkign about knarfi.

i think it was called the "polseque" or something along those lines. and yes they were a religious and polotical group who won the elections down in iraq. more by force than anythgin else. but, all's fair in love and war.

Yeah.. well it isnt love nor war.. but these things have happened a lot troughout the years.. like hitler, stalin, etc.. well thats actually a good example, hitler was very christian right? dont know if that rly mattered..

 

[Xyercies]

....i dont think it does seeing how he was killign thousands who believed in the same god as him, but just in a diffrent way.

 

[Tyra]

He also managed to taint the swastika as a religious symbol. Well, maybe not "he" personally, but his lackeys. You know what I mean.

 

[Knarfi]

well he was against jews, so i think his political thoughts were very affected by religious thoughts, because he thought they were "worshipping" (or how you wanna call it) the god where he believed in to, but in the wrong way, and that he hated them for that reason.
Yeah and what tyra says, he abused the symbol wich ment (i think) "luck" for his own terrors..

 

[Xyercies]

well thats certainly a diffrent way of looking at it.

 

[Knarfi]

Also, coming back on Norse mythology (it just came up in me that were talking politics in a mythology topic) sometimes i see Surt and other times Surtur (i.e AA songs)..or are these not even the same "person"?.. maybe its asked before but then i have to search through 104 posts with my hangover. forgive me please that i stopped reading pages at page 6 or something..

 

[Tyra]

It's a grammatical thing. Think of it like how you know, the Roman emperors, like AntoniUS and MarcUS became Anthony and Mark in English. Sort of like that. All the Norse sagas exist and existed in different languages, and so had different names in each, but in this case it's a grammatical thing.

 

[Knarfi]

Ah i see Wise lady Tyra, u again cleared it up for me.. u do have an answer on everything! nice going

 

[genaatloos]

Yeah.. well it isnt love nor war.. but these things have happened a lot troughout the years.. like hitler, stalin, etc.. well thats actually a good example, hitler was very christian right? dont know if that rly mattered..

Great mistake. Allthough many people think that. Hitler wasn't christian, he did make a deal with the church in rome but they did that was because Rome wanted it because national-socialism wasnt against relegion, the communists were against. in the beginning it was a good deal for hitler too, because he could make a lot of christians vote for him then. BUT.. it is proved that there were plans to kill christian religions in all sort of forms. After removing all jews out of the third empire, hitler could have removed all christians.. this because he knew that none who believed in the bible should allow a dictatorship. Because god stands above all.. and a dictator ussually places himself above all. Not that hitler would have murdered all christians, because there were too many of them, but he had certainly plans to forbid open christian religions. Hitler himself never believed in god.

 

[Knarfi]

Great mistake. Allthough many people think that. Hitler wasn't christian, he did make a deal with the church in rome but they did that was because Rome wanted it because national-socialism wasnt against relegion, the communists were against. in the beginning it was a good deal for hitler too, because he could make a lot of christians vote for him then. BUT.. it is proved that there were plans to kill christian religions in all sort of forms. After removing all jews out of the third empire, hitler could have removed all christians.. this because he knew that none who believed in the bible should allow a dictatorship. Because god stands above all.. and a dictator ussually places himself above all. Not that hitler would have murdered all christians, because there were too many of them, but he had certainly plans to forbid open christian religions. Hitler himself never believed in god.

Hmm thats a lot deeper then the standard history class. And yes, ive heared many times that Hitler was christian, but never quite clear.. So the WWII could have gone even further after the jews.. Never knew that

 

[genaatloos]

yeah, but it is not clear if there would be an 'other holocaust' after removing all jews..

 

[Knarfi]

yeah, but it is not clear if there would be an 'other holocaust' after removing all jews..

Well i think there would.. i mean look how sickminded he was