I think its refreshing he has the balls to use a swastika as an avatar. If one wishes to debate him on his political beliefs, which I think 99% of us disagree with, then one can do so. Ones beliefs are only as strong as ones argument; you know Camus believed that the only way to engage these revolutionaries and Islamic Fundamentalists is to engage them in discourse, and to understand why they think the way they do.
what do you think is the greatest Metal album ever
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That excuse for an article shattered fuck all. However, my opinion about the article apparently triggered your insult-mode. There go you smug, quasi-intellectual posts.Demiurge said:
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That music can be analysed objectively from a subjective basis, if a person has the knowledge and a template to work within.polarity said:Uh, so what were you saying?
I'd like to change my mind about something I said earlier. The 'music inspires such-and-such simply because of socialising' issue is entirely relevant, in that certain sound-progressions develop certain meanings simply by being used to portray such a meaning for a long time. In this case, it may not mean the same to everyone, but its meanings will be interpreted by those who are knowledgable about these meanings in question. It basically just becomes a musical-knowledge thing again. Why these meanings came to be in the first place is probably relevant to the point I was making originally about some sound-progressions inspiring the same feeling in, at least, a majority of people's minds.
I'm still certain that some music will inspire the same emotion in most, if not all people. Think horror music, for example, there are certain aspects of it which make it tense and ominous.
On a completely irrelevant note, Demiurge is linguistically identical to one of my school friends. I'm beginning to worry that they're the same person.
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The United States is certainly trying to pander to the lowest common denominator. Such is the administrative inevitability in a liberal democracy. That's what affirmative action is, if you can't make the weak strong, at least weaken the strong. It's good for business, politics, and the status quo.
Jewish ideals have already taken over the world. The world's most powerful forces have values rooted in irrational judeochristianity. You need look no further then egalitarianism to be certain that I'm right.
Jewish ideals have already taken over the world. The world's most powerful forces have values rooted in irrational judeochristianity. You need look no further then egalitarianism to be certain that I'm right.
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Naggamanteh said:
The fact that you threw out a cliche rather than attacking the basis of the article says far more than I could ever hope to.
Have you considered that white Europeans controlled most of the world for the last two millennia, and now it's someone else's turn?Demiurge said:
Perhaps no amount of intellectualizing on a message board can stem the inevitable...
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I'm certainly not going to assume that some force has dictated that it's some else's turn now, all Europeans off the playground. I care about the logical function of things, nothing else. Since your belief has no reasonably basis, I'll ignore it.
This isn't my "belief".Demiurge said:
The point I was trying to make from my post is that even if everything you say is true, so what? Are you only interested in breezily discussing world politics or do you actually think all this "turning the tide" rhetoric will lead anywhere?
Basically, is your interest in this topic actually going to get further than Ultimatemetal.com?
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The answer is yes, my beliefs are a primary influence on the decisions I make away from this computer. And yes, I believe the tide can be turned, but not by me alone, of course.
I wouldn't be so quick to ignore the value of the internet in spreading information.
I wouldn't be so quick to ignore the value of the internet in spreading information.
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Cliche? That would be the tired Jew bashing in the article you recommended. Did you honestly expect me to attack an article of that "caliber"? Hell, being a dipshit with good verbal, but very average analytical skills, you probably did. I've already told you what such articles are good for: they provide the authors with $$ or publicity from frustrated and unsuccessful individuals with cry baby attitude such as yourself. "I hate Jews and my pals, they take MY jobs, ugly bastards."Demiurge said:
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I'm very tired and if I were a thousand times more tired, this "I'm ignoring the article because it is below my level" stuff might actually work. Obviously though, if you actually thought yourself more rational than its author, you'd be tearing it to shreds, not making a good effort to save face without actually referring to the damned article.
Please explain how this article is being used to generate money for its author.
If you say, "he'll write a book about it and make money", consider the opportunity cost. He could be writing about other, more profitable shit. I can assure you that pro-racist books don't usually spend much time on the best seller list.
"I hate Jews and my pals, they take MY jobs, ugly bastards."
If you'd read the article, you'd realize that the problem is that blacks are being given jobs that they do not deserve because of state enforced pseudo-equality. This is the result of jewish values.
Note that calling criticism the work of crybabies is usually a sign that you can't figure out a way to reason around the criticism. If you could, you wouldn't be resorting to ad hominems, you'd be making a counter argument.
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Let me also say that regardless of all else, your argument must involve a leap of faith. Imagine that you do the impossible, you prove that the author is raking it in as a result of this article. Fine and dandy, but that's as far as you can take it. You cannot bridge to the idea that he made the article up just to make money and it is therefore invalid. Essentially, what I'm doing is pointing out another ad hominem on your part. You're attacking the author's motivation, not his argument.
I think I will feel great the rest of the day, knowing that I'm not you.
You can be right, you can be wrong, I don't care - but do you have to be so extremely boring? If you want to preach, go build a church.
So what if the jews run the world? At least Seinfeld is funny.
You can be right, you can be wrong, I don't care - but do you have to be so extremely boring? If you want to preach, go build a church.
So what if the jews run the world? At least Seinfeld is funny.
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The article is biased. It is a product of a sick head, I can not be bothered to even try to attack it or defend it. Why is that a cocept you do not seem to be able to grasp? It is not my problem you drown yourself in shite like that and lose your ability to see things in perspective, but do not expect everyone else to follow the same pattern. Refer me to something more reasonable and I might consider "tearing it to shreads".Demiurge said:
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He writes what he can and he gets the attention of people like you. He probably lacks expertise in any other field to write good articles on other topics. Any kind of publicity is publicity. I certainly do not need to explain the relationship between publicity and $$ for you, do I?Demiurge said:
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Blahblahblahblah, to you too. You've been embarrassed, deal with it.
He writes what he can and he gets the attention of people like you. He probably lacks expertise in any other field to write good articles on other topics. Any kind of publicity is publicity. I certainly do not need to explain the relationship between publicity and $$ for you, do I?[/QUOTE]
Like I said, you've got no ground to stand on with this. Maybe he picks up a few clients, but who cares? What does that have to do with his argument being fallacious? Please, learn how to make a reasonable argument, It works better. Do not post back unless you have something new to say. That means, do not respond saying that "it's wrong because he only does it to make money!" because it is irrelevant.
no, he is correct, and we should all agree with guardian of darkness because he is knowledgable in all things metal, and so underground he's suffocating.
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We should start ask that UM create a political/world views room for the type of discussions that seeped their way into the original theme of this thread...
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I'm singularly responsible for knocking virtually every thread off topic (including this one). It suits me fine, personally, as most of the threads serve no purpose whatsoever.
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Perhaps you don't find any purpose in most threads, and maybe you actually enjoy knocking them off-topic - but I'd like to think the rest of us find some redeeming quality in discussing, using the original theme of this thread as an example, what we think the greatest metal album ever is...
That's my 2 cents...
That's my 2 cents...
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