Who seriously can believe in bible?

[Iridium]

It would be impossible to determine whether our universe was created by an intelligent designer or not, since in order to achieve a control sample, we would need another universe that we knew was not created in order to compare to ours.

 

[Kenneth R.]

then it is impossible to determine anything about ours on a universal scale, since we would need to compare reality A to reality B, and since we are constrained to A, we will never be able to observe B.

 

[Iridium]

Exactly. So it's really quite pointless speculating on whether our universe was created by an intelligent designer. Since, until positive evidence is presented, a positive claim is false, it's safe, reasonable, and practical to assume that no intelligent designer was present, and that we should study the universe as it is. There is not one single theory presented by Intelligent Designers, therefore Intelligent Design is not scientific, and is ultimately nothing more than an attempt by Christians to force their dogma into the scientific curriculum.

 

[Cythraul]

It would be impossible to determine whether our universe was created by an intelligent designer or not, since in order to achieve a control sample, we would need another universe that we knew was not created in order to compare to ours.

I think the real issue is the fact that intelligent design is not testable in principle. It's an utter waste of time to even speculate on the possibility of intelligent designed being empirically verifiable.

 

[LDGuy]

Lol. This thread makes me laugh.

Anyway, i had this on my computer...

<< Dear Dr. Laura


Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to
people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, Jim,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with
as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord--Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual cleanliness--Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination--Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of threads(cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.

Amen...

Loz.

 

[T_man357]

I personally don't believe in god, or in satan. At this time when science has proven at least half of the bible wrong, I still keep wondering how someone could pray some fucking "god".. Well I don't judge anyone by their religion, they can believe what they want but I think it's total bullshit.

I don't think the question so much is "Who can seriously believe the Bible"
I for one believe every word in it!! But the question is...Does the fact that people do believe it mean that it should be taken from them?? And that they should believe your way because you know that you're right??
(I'm not saying that you were implying that....Though there are people who do feel that way, there way is right and everyone else is wrong so do what I do!!)

 

[veil the sky]

It would be impossible to determine whether our universe was created by an intelligent designer or not, since in order to achieve a control sample, we would need another universe that we knew was not created in order to compare to ours.

that only applies to scientific determination.

we can no more scientifically determine that 2 + 2 = 4

your definition perameters are too narrow

 

[veil the sky]

Exactly. So it's really quite pointless speculating on whether our universe was created by an intelligent designer. Since, until positive evidence is presented, a positive claim is false, it's safe, reasonable, and practical to assume that no intelligent designer was present, and that we should study the universe as it is. There is not one single theory presented by Intelligent Designers, therefore Intelligent Design is not scientific, and is ultimately nothing more than an attempt by Christians to force their dogma into the scientific curriculum.

entirely non-sequitur and an example of scientific reductionism which is circular in reasoning.

 

[kmik]

A theory is scientific if and only if it is falsifiable.

Mathematics is not science.

 

[Valtiel]

I personally don't believe in god, or in satan. At this time when science has proven at least half of the bible wrong, I still keep wondering how someone could pray some fucking "god".. Well I don't judge anyone by their religion, they can believe what they want but I think it's total bullshit.

I don't get it, both christians and secularists say science has proven the bible right and science has proven the bible wrong, what one is it???

 

[T_man357]

I don't get it, both christians and secularists say science has proven the bible right and science has proven the bible wrong, what one is it???

I'd probably say it's which ever one you believe dude....since it's all pretty personal anyway who cares what science says.

 

[derek]

The bible is nonsensical. It's full of contradictions and hazy passages open to mis-interpretation.

I understand people beliefs in God, although I don't agree with them. BUT i cannot see how anyone can rationalise the bullshit the bible spits out page after page.

 

[veil the sky]

A theory is scientific if and only if it is falsifiable.

Mathematics is not science.

exactly, which shows that there are meaningful schematics of meaning and truth that aren't scientific. so to say that a religious principle isn't scientifically demonstrable doesn't imply that it is untrue or meaningless.

 

[veil the sky]

The bible is nonsensical. It's full of contradictions and hazy passages open to mis-interpretation.

I understand people beliefs in God, although I don't agree with them. BUT i cannot see how anyone can rationalise the bullshit the bible spits out page after page.

shakespear is open to mis-interpretation, so is the iliad. does that mean they aren't worth reading or learning from?

 

[WhiteBoyFunk]

Lots of people can believe it. Don't worry about that so much- worry about how this thread is a flame war waiting to happen.

rofl haha

 

[Kenneth R.]

shakespear is open to mis-interpretation, so is the iliad. does that mean they aren't worth reading or learning from?

shakespeare, illiad(?), and i agree. even if one goes to great length to "prove" false its claims, its message is still valuable. all that seperates knowledge/wisdom learned from fiction and that learned from nonfiction is that between the two informative stories, one actually happened.

 

[derek]

shakespear is open to mis-interpretation, so is the iliad. does that mean they aren't worth reading or learning from?

I didn't mean it like that. My main concern was with inherent contradictions within the bible and how those kinda negate it as the written basis of faith.

I agree with you entirely on your point - the bible is an interesting work, no doubt.

 

[WhiteBoyFunk]

that only applies to scientific determination.

we can no more scientifically determine that 2 + 2 = 4

your definition perameters are too narrow

What the fuck are you trying to say? We can no more scientifically determine 2 + 2 = 4 than.... what? I think that your parameters are too narrow mister.

A theory is scientific if and only if it is falsifiable.

Mathematics is not science.

I beg to differ. I suppose that if I receive a degree in mathematics, and I have, it is to say degree of... Art? That my friend is nonsense for mathematics is PURE science.

Lol. This thread makes me laugh.

Anyway, i had this on my computer...



Amen...

Loz.

This is scripture taken completely out of context. The old testament, or the old law, does not apply anymore. After christ's life on earth he taught a new set of laws, and I believe there are two.

Love they neighbor as thyself, and love the lord your god with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.

Making comments as that gentlemen did was foolish. He does not live in the days of Noah. I have to admit though, some of that shit made me laugh.

The bible is nonsensical. It's full of contradictions and hazy passages open to mis-interpretation.

I understand people beliefs in God, although I don't agree with them. BUT i cannot see how anyone can rationalise the bullshit the bible spits out page after page.

Is it full of contradictions? Name one.

 

[MURAI]

The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. And, I'm fucking sick and tired of young people trying to slag off Christianity when knowing little about it. We're all able to sit back and criticize Judeo-Christianity and religion in general because it's strength hold on the western world has weakened. Like it or not, the western world that you're living in now has been defined by Judeo-Christianity.

 

[veil the sky]

shakespeare, illiad(?), and i agree. even if one goes to great length to "prove" false its claims, its message is still valuable. all that seperates knowledge/wisdom learned from fiction and that learned from nonfiction is that between the two informative stories, one actually happened.

comma before 'and'?
double-quotation marks around 'prove'?
touché