Why are you a metalhead?

[just metal]

I don't know if it's singing or not but I can't stop listening to it, actually I don't think that I listen to any band that use clean vocals (expect IF) and most of them not melodic.

 

[Zephyrus]

Rapping
Growling
Grunting
Screaming

None of these are singing.

The line is blurred if you add tone to any of those.

 

[CF87]

Rapping
Growling
Grunting
Screaming

None of these are singing.

Exactly. I just consider all vocals.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

It's all vocals to me.

 

[Onder]

It's fucking vokills you bitches!!

 

[The Ozzman]

It's fucking vokills you bitches!!

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[mutantllama]

Harsh vocals are singing. If done correctly, it's a distortion of notes and not a shout.

Also, rappers worth listening to definitely pay attention to tone.

I guess talking could be considered singing also, because you use tone when you talk also.

 

[waif]

Unlike some R&B, rap vocals are not "singing" because they're not melodic. In fact, they don't even follow the conventions of tonal music. On the contrary, rapping is merely a form of rhythmic shouting.

Not even shouting, just talking most of the time. However, often the choruses use singing.

Singing must have tone in order to be singing. Otherwise it's just vocalization. =

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However, some harsh vocals are in tune to the music. Still, I think singing is generally recognized as something that you do by not screaming.

I don't know if it's singing or not but I can't stop listening to it, actually I don't think that I listen to any band that use clean vocals (expect IF) and most of them not melodic.

IF?
Clean voxx?
Only a little bit.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

By the same logic that I consider noise (when created by artists for manufacture/distribution and intended for listening) to be music, I should consider screaming vocals to be a kind of singing...but, I don't think I do.

 

[just metal]

IF=in flames... Mostly I listen to brutal metal or Death metal, I rarely listen to bands who use clean vocals.

 

[MegaMoose]

And in an amazing coincidence, you desperately need to expand in what you listen to.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

By the same logic that I consider noise (when created by artists for manufacture/distribution and intended for listening) to be music, I should consider screaming vocals to be a kind of singing...but, I don't think I do.

Music doesn't have to conform to a predetermined tonal structure, and many cultural forms still don't. By contrast, singing should at least conform to the tonal conventions of the music which it is accompanying.

EDIT: For clarification, this is why I consider rap and growls to generally be "not singing" while most folk and pop music is "singing badly."

 

[The Ozzman]

Noise by definition isn't music (like how drums aren't music by definition) but I understand what Andy means

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I guess talking could be considered singing also, because you use tone when you talk also.

Yes. It could, can, and has been.

 

[Alter]

Noise by definition isn't music (like how drums aren't music by definition) but I understand what Andy means

I believe it was the guitarist of Enslaved who said he looks at noise just like he would look at an abstract painting. That is how I listen to it.

 

[just metal]

And in an amazing coincidence, you desperately need to expand in what you listen to.

That doesn't mean that I don't listen to other genres, actually most of my favorite bands are from different genres, mostly thrash (Slayer, Kreator and warbringer...) , but (currently) I'm concentrating on death or brutal metal.