why do you think minorities are less receptive towards extreme metal?
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Um, no. It's definitely true, but the reasons are definitely not certain (ie being only able to identify with rap/latin music, and not metal).
If you are going to make a statement like this, assert that it is true, and then say that there is no real evidence to support the claim/or that no knowledge about the subject is certain, then what the hell is the point of even bringing up such a thing?
...[warning, ad hominum ahead]...ANYONE could easily make an argument out of nothing; hell, statements like this only perpetuate ignorance.
"dude, god is real, I can't prove it to you, but it should be obvious"
Sound familiar? I think every one of us have heard it before - unfortuantely, this is exactly how your argument is coming across to me. Either back up your statements with research, or don't be taken seriously.
Edit: The reason I'm hounding for this is that this is an extremely huge claim you are making, that would completely shift cultural morality (legal positivistic sense/natural morality/religious based/ whatever) around the globe. So anyone who has any source for this, then please - share.
...[warning, ad hominum ahead]...ANYONE could easily make an argument out of nothing; hell, statements like this only perpetuate ignorance.
"dude, god is real, I can't prove it to you, but it should be obvious"
Sound familiar? I think every one of us have heard it before - unfortuantely, this is exactly how your argument is coming across to me. Either back up your statements with research, or don't be taken seriously.
Edit: The reason I'm hounding for this is that this is an extremely huge claim you are making, that would completely shift cultural morality (legal positivistic sense/natural morality/religious based/ whatever) around the globe. So anyone who has any source for this, then please - share.
genocide roach
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um, no? thats quite simply a cop out. if it exists, there is actual proof that can be shown to anyone at any given time.
lemme ask you a question. do you believe in god? to the vast majority of people, the evidence is is glaringly obvious, but i know alot of people here would argue against that
~gR~
Hispanics make up anywhere from 15-25% of the audience at any given death metal show in the New York area. I don't see any major racial divides in who likes metal here.
messakin
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There is no racial difference in who likes metal. It's seems to be some kind of stereotype that its the crazy white dude thats always by him self that likes metal.
cookiecutter
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Let us not forget that many people in Africa are engaged in surviving and are probably never exposed to metal and even if they were, they would have little resources to be able to form a band. It's easy to buy a guitar and an amp while you're working at a bank in New York. It's a whole other story when you are a poor farmer in Mauritania.
Also notice the fact that the two Asian countries with the biggest scenes are also the two most modernized ones.
AgoliantLives
Aint that a daisy?
Let's start with racial differences in intelligence:
American Renaissance July 2002
American Renaissance December 1994 Issue (Scroll down to racial differences).
Racial differences in crime rates:
The Color of Crime: Study on Racial Differences Released - Nicholas Stix
Here's something interesting from this article:
"* Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
But how can that be, when for years commentators of all political persuasions have insisted that the majority of the victims of black crime are themselves black? But it has been true for some time, because blacks increasingly target whites based on the color of the latters skin. The commentators have been guilty variously of lying or laziness.
* Far from being guilty of racially profiling innocent blacks, police have been exercising racial bias on behalf of blacks, arresting fewer blacks than their proportion of criminals: blacks who committed crimes that were reported to the police were 26 percent less likely to be arrested than people of other races who committed the same crimes.
* police are determined to arrest non-black rather than black criminals. (I have seen this practice in operation on the streets and subways of New York.)"
The Color of Crime: the black genocide against whites in America. eugenics
Ive always known this, but I'll post it for people who aren't aware:
Hispanics are a hate crime victim category but not a perpetrator category. Hispanic offenders are classified as whites, which inflates the white offense rate and gives the impression that Hispanics commit no hate crimes.
Genetic breakthrough that reveals the differences between humans
As far as Latins liking Metal, people seem to forget that are are no or very few pure Latins. Most (or all) have a Latin, Black, and White (Spanish) mix. You'll notice some Latins are very dark or very light in skin tone.
American Renaissance July 2002
American Renaissance December 1994 Issue (Scroll down to racial differences).
Racial differences in crime rates:
The Color of Crime: Study on Racial Differences Released - Nicholas Stix
Here's something interesting from this article:
"* Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
But how can that be, when for years commentators of all political persuasions have insisted that the majority of the victims of black crime are themselves black? But it has been true for some time, because blacks increasingly target whites based on the color of the latters skin. The commentators have been guilty variously of lying or laziness.
* Far from being guilty of racially profiling innocent blacks, police have been exercising racial bias on behalf of blacks, arresting fewer blacks than their proportion of criminals: blacks who committed crimes that were reported to the police were 26 percent less likely to be arrested than people of other races who committed the same crimes.
* police are determined to arrest non-black rather than black criminals. (I have seen this practice in operation on the streets and subways of New York.)"
The Color of Crime: the black genocide against whites in America. eugenics
Ive always known this, but I'll post it for people who aren't aware:
Hispanics are a hate crime victim category but not a perpetrator category. Hispanic offenders are classified as whites, which inflates the white offense rate and gives the impression that Hispanics commit no hate crimes.
Genetic breakthrough that reveals the differences between humans
As far as Latins liking Metal, people seem to forget that are are no or very few pure Latins. Most (or all) have a Latin, Black, and White (Spanish) mix. You'll notice some Latins are very dark or very light in skin tone.
maybee its because the metal scene is filled with racists. i saw way to many "whight power" tats at ozzfest.
AgoliantLives
Aint that a daisy?
messakin
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People tend to forget that hispanic is a cultural thing not really a race. Like mexicans have many types of races in thier blood. Like me I'm part native american, spanish, and italian but i'm 100% Mexican.
hibernal_dream
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This is a ridiculous study. What are the relative proportions of blacks and whites in America? If whites drastically outnumber blacks then of course there are going to a greater number of white victims.
Demilich
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The issue is FAR more related to class than to race. Blacks are not poor, violent, and poorly educated because they're fucking black. It's because they live and are raised in the fucking ghetto where they have no opportunity to get out and they're left to fester in the gangster culture placed upon them by mainstream media. Of course there is a lot of bullshit and plenty of double standards such as affirmative action and the fact that there are members of all races who grow up in the ghetto, but this point still holds true. The "black" culture is a product of class, not of genes.
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Krigloch the Furious
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If that were true, we would expect to find similarly high rates of illegitimacy, crime, violence and educational failure in rural Appalachia, where poverty is greater and social mobility even more limited than it is in the inner cities.
But here's the problem: the rates aren't even remotely comparable. Something other than economic conditions is responsible.
Zephyrus
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I live right in a major US city, and not some small town or suburb. So consequentially, I am around minorities all the time. I am around black people all the time, and I know tons of black people. NONE of them are into metal, and literally almost ALL of them listen to rap (though I can actually think of a few that don't like basketball, shattering that stereotype). I am basing my assertion off the black people I am around and I know. So maybe, I should rephrase it, and say that the blacks in my city are into rap and nothing else, and not blacks all over the US or the world. And let me reiterate, that I said black people generally don't listen to metal, I know that tons of hispanics like metal.
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