wtf...Extol is christian death metal?!

[Hügelgräber]

Indeed, there is no reliable model for a satanistc society, because there are too many different opinions what satanism is.
All the satanits I know from german satanistic forums at least say, that all of their actions have to be for their own profit, and they mostly tend to anarchy. You see, this "society" would not exist a single day. If some people survive it, they automatically form structures with different dependencies.
Anyway, this does not mean that I would like to have a christian-religious society, definitely not.
Ok, enough of Satanism. I'm tired of this topic.

 

[Braighs]

it is very hard for me to accept that something we can prove has been invented at some point in history (often using elements from other religions and stuff), is something that has always existed

* When mere humans try to describe god we can only see pieces of the whole.
(Now I'm going to get spacey.)
Imagine that you and your friend exist on a two dimentional plane. You are both looking at the same object but you see a rectangle and your friend sees a circle. You don't stop to think that you are both looking at a cylinder in the third dimension. Many religions begin to look more similar if we use this perspective.

* I believe in God simply because the universe makes more sense with a creator. Atheist either know or hope to know more about the universe than I do, or they simply don't like the idea of being controlled. (I don't either.)

* Many people have a distorted view of Christianity because of idiots like Joel Osteen and the many "default Christians" that don't really know what they believe. This is also perpetuated by the super happy christian bands that plague our radio stations.

* On-topic - Extol is a brilliant band that shows Christianity in its true form. Emporer is a good band in that they practice what they preach. I personally would like to burn a few churches that I have visited just to rid the world of such closemindedness.

 

[CF87]

Ok guys i just found out some amazing Christian metal in the 'black metal style':

Vardøger - Whitefrozen
Vaakevandring - Vaakevandring

great stuff, very folk and just str8 up awesome.

I also got Schaliach's cd "Sonrise" which was before Ole Børud joined Extol, he had his own band with him doing all instruments and the singer of Vardøger doing vocals. You can definitely tell how he influenced Extol. Great melodic death/doom metal. Of course, very uplifting and thought provoking lyrics as well.

@Black Session: like i said im sorry you see Christianity at its lowest, most transparent form. True christianity, to reply to a statement you made earlier, to me is not an easy way out at all. If anything it should be harder, because it requires that you fight and live against your natural will and instincts Any true christian can tell you the same thing. Christianity is directly in conflict to natural humanity. And in today's world, its becoming increasingly harder to have faith in a God that is invisible, at least physically, when the world around that person tells them that religion isnt important anymore. No my friend, christianity, at its truest form, is definitely not the easy way out of anything. It is a very difficult but, as we believe, ultimately rewarding path of life.

Marry was a whore.

 

[Braighs]

Marry was a whore.

Jesus forgives whores.
Jesus > Lucifer > God > Satan > Mary > Extol > Emporer > you.

 

[CF87]

Yes, a Jesus forgave her. Afterwards, Mary quit whoreing.
Jesus > God > you.

The only reason Jesus forgave her is because he was doing her anal.

 

[Braighs]

who the hell is Mary?

 

[Braighs]

Forget those last posts

* When mere humans try to describe god we can only see pieces of the whole.
(Now I'm going to get spacey.)
Imagine that you and your friend exist on a two dimentional plane. You are both looking at the same object but you see a rectangle and your friend sees a circle. You don't stop to think that you are both looking at a cylinder in the third dimension. Many religions begin to look more similar if we use this perspective.

* I believe in God simply because the universe makes more sense with a creator. Atheist either know or hope to know more about the universe than I do, or they simply don't like the idea of being controlled. (I don't either.)

* Many people have a distorted view of Christianity because of idiots like Joel Osteen and the many "default Christians" that don't really know what they believe. This is also perpetuated by the super happy christian bands that plague our radio stations.

* On-topic - Extol is a brilliant band that shows Christianity in its true form. Emporer is a good band in that they practice what they preach. I personally would like to burn a few churches that I have visited just to rid the world of such closemindedness.

 

[vampyrouss]

Finally this thread has resorted to insults! We were doing so well...

 

[Deadlift]

Who created the creator and why is there so much evil in the world if god is almighty.

Thoose questions are always very good and i have never had a good answer from anyone. Just bollocks.

This thread is eternal.

 

[Braighs]

Everything I touch turns to shit.

Deadlift, please read "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" by william Blake or just listen to Ulver's version. "without contraries there is no progression..."

what would be the perpose of our world if everything were holy?

and who created the creator's creator? I don't know

 

[vampyrouss]

But more importantly i feel, if there is some creator and it wanted us to know these things it would have installed that information in us, we don't so whats the point in trying to guess?

Just do what is right for you and let others do what is right for them and then in the end we will all find out... or cease to be and rot... or whatever...

But be patient! Its not like any of us will have to wait that long to find out. I'm sure there are better things to ponder until that time comes, no?

 

[EveOfDarkness]

Who created the creator and why is there so much evil in the world if god is almighty.

Thoose questions are always very good and i have never had a good answer from anyone. Just bollocks.

This thread is eternal.

There's evil in the world because human beings are imperfect and fallible. We suffer through our own choices because we don't know everything, we cant always make the right decisions (right decisions meaning the ones that would allow us to live a perfect and peaceful life). God allows us to go through those motions because it corresponds to the plan of salvation (which this would not be the right place to talk about, if anyone is more interested in knowing what it is, just PM me). Basically, Christians believe that evil is caused by the sinful and imperfect nature of us humans (of course with the influence of Satan). That would be my explanation based on my beliefs to your question.

On topic:

I'm listening to some of the new Crimson Moonlight, VERY good black/death metal. I suggest this to anyone who is interested in great christian extreme metal. Can't wait to get this cd (it's called "Veil of Remembrance" for anyone who is interested).

 

[CF87]

The term evil is christain. Christianity created satan,hell to attract people into the religion by a form of scaring,manipulating individuals into believing they will be condemned. Christianity along with religion groups start out as a cult almost seperated from the world until they build a stronger base where they can take stronger actions building upon whatever the religion is. Say you're not christian, christian make it like you're 'evil' or wrong. It's a lose,lose no matter what because either you're christian or evil(which is a christian term). If christianity did not get so big it would not matter but sadly it has. It's basically very dominate and close minded cheap way to try, teach and make someone believe about what you believe in. When someone puts people into a situation where they win either way regardless of your choice that's odd.

Try to force something on an individual that is lost and they might just give in. If someone has strong beliefe in themselves they will not fold nor need outside influence on how they think.

The reason why the world has problems is because religion. Religion is seperating everyone into groups. That's not unity or exceptence. If religion did not exist, evil,the devil,hell,heaven would not exist. Everyone could develope their own faith,spirituality. Religion is basically like a mirror. Without a mirrorr everyone would be the same. Knowing everyone is the same means corruption,hate would not exist. Religion has ruined the chance of genuine faith and harmony.

Religion is basically outdated just kings,emperors,cults,empires.etc.... It's just a form a domination. Attract more people, make your group bigger, make others believe, expand. control,influence

It's an innocent form of greed,power,domination that naive people will not see and non naive people will have to fight when they don't want to(you started it) so why is that person wrong. Instead of saying you want people like us you use the term christianity, methods of belief,morals,opinions to sway people into joining your rising cult that gets bigger with time..... and not many people will dare to stand up and say it's not right because then they're made to be 'evil'.

You're prosecuting others every day. Innocence is gone now. When people get killed tomorrow it's in the name of your gods.

 

[Black Session]

@ The Greys: well said.

 

[vampyrouss]

I sort of agree, but only about Religion/non religion in general. Not picking on Christianity or any other specific belief. They all do it, even Athiests, its always "them Vs us" no matter what them and us may be, and that is sad.

 

[Kenneth R.]

Greys, you're right... given the situation is between a non-believer and the visage of christianity put on by a majority of westerners.

you are in fact wrong given the situation is between a non-believer and a real believer.

because of these false representations, their vast numbers, and their public exposure, it is a great shame that those who truly hold to Christianity must be misunderstood so completely by others. I strive to explain the difference, and what a real believer thinks, but it seems that time and again the misunderstanding dominates others' views.

 

[murderedbysound]

I don't know if this was said in the thread but is Evergrey a christian metal band or whatever? On The Inner Circle the song Ambassador and a few others have alot of christian propaganda in them. Just a thought but I dont care if they are they have a few good tunes IMO.

 

[vampyrouss]

But still, you're making it you vs him, why does it always need to be about winning and losing and who is right and who is wrong? I see it as whatever is right for you is all that matters.

 

[Kenneth R.]

I don't know if this was said in the thread but is Evergrey a christian metal band or whatever? On The Inner Circle the song Ambassador and a few others have alot of christian propaganda in them. Just a thought but I dont care if they are they have a few good tunes IMO.

propaganda? Evergrey is NOT a christian band. must every band who utters the word "god" or "Jesus" be labeled christian? one can discuss a topic without being an advocate - or opposer - of said topic.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'd have much to input to this discussion, but I can't be fucked reading it all, tbh.