Your Favorite Viking/Folk Metal Band

[ILLmortal]

Rofl. Russian Nazis. Never made sense to me tbh.

I thought the first Eluveitie album was alright.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Well, it's not like they're members of the Neo-Nazi party, but yea, the LDPR are pretty much the most right-wing, 'mainstream' party there. I don't know if they're still involved in it. I mean being a member is one thing, but being involved in events is another. The interview I read it in was a Russian metal mag from about four years ago. So, things could have changed, especially since they moved to a bigger label and are selling albums to a more wider audience.

I don't really see how being part of the ultra right wing party in Russia makes you a "Nazi." I think that's unfair. Yes, they may be super nationalistic, and super fascistic, etc. but that doesn't necessarily equate to Nazism. They also could've just been brought up to believe that's the best way to go.

 

[Einherjar86]

Yea, Arkona are solid. They've apparently got some NS links so potential new listener beware, I guess.

NS links don't necessarily mean racist tendencies. The LDPR, while a super-nationalist party, doesn't support or encourage blatant racial bigotry.

I don't really see how being part of the ultra right wing party in Russia makes you a "Nazi." I think that's unfair. Yes, they may be super nationalistic, and super fascistic, etc. but that doesn't necessarily equate to Nazism. They also could've just been brought up to believe that's the best way to go.

It doesn't at all equate to "Nazism." Nazism was a very specific, chronologically isolated political/social ideal that was formed in Germany and had its roots in German nihilism, nationalism, and antisemitism that sprouted back from the age of Martin Luther. Fascism or National Socialism are not to be confused with the Nazi party. Nazism was a specific example of a fascist government; fascism is not necessarily Nazism.

 

[SkeletonWitch]

Windir

Mykrgrav

Forefather

Ensiferum

Sakna

 

[SkeletonWitch]

And Empyrium has reformed and a new album is coming up from them too! Exciting!

No. Not really.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

I don't really see how being part of the ultra right wing party in Russia makes you a "Nazi." I think that's unfair. Yes, they may be super nationalistic, and super fascistic, etc. but that doesn't necessarily equate to Nazism. They also could've just been brought up to believe that's the best way to go.

I don't see where I stated they were Nazis. I said they were in a right-wing party and even made the assertion that their links to that party are not as if they're in the Neo-Nazis party. But you can have links to national socialist groups and not be involved with the Neo-Nazis. People are jumping the gun on some assumptions.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

was never a fan of Empyrium.
Wodensthrone is good news!

 

[Einherjar86]

Wodensthrone is good news!

Loss is a killer album.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Ya. I like it.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

People are jumping the gun on some assumptions.

It seems like you're the person doing that if you're citing the fact that some members purportedly belong to a far-right political party as a "red flag" for people checking them out

 

[damnromulans]

maybe he doesn't want to give money to idiots/extremists, even if they make good music. not everyone can or wants to view music as 100% independent of the artists' politics. seems a lot of posters on here get their boxer briefs in a twist over that.

 

[ArneZ]

Equilibrium - Turis Fratyr
Finntroll - Jaktens Tid
Ensiferum - s\t
Eluveitie - Spirit
Windir - 1184

I always brings these with me on my trips into the forest...

 

[Der Morgenstern]

It seems like you're the person doing that if you're citing the fact that some members purportedly belong to a far-right political party as a "red flag" for people checking them out

As krampus pointed out, I just want to make sure people are aware of the idealism behind certain bands before they check them out just in case there are people interested in a band who don't listen to a band if they have a political stance they do not agree with and do not want to support. That's all.

 

[Einherjar86]

The political/social ideals of a band matter when analyzing the work of art itself, but it shouldn't matter when it comes to the aesthetic quality of the art. Metal is so removed from vocals/lyrics anyway (for the most part) that the ideals of a band such as Nokturnal Mortum (just to name an example) should not detract from the listener's pleasure. To understand the history and purpose behind a work is one thing; but to appreciate it as a work is something else.

 

[damnromulans]

The political/social ideals of a band matter when analyzing the work of art itself, but it shouldn't matter when it comes to the aesthetic quality of the art. Metal is so removed from vocals/lyrics anyway (for the most part) that the ideals of a band such as Nokturnal Mortum (just to name an example) should not detract from the listener's pleasure. To understand the history and purpose behind a work is one thing; but to appreciate it as a work is something else.

How it should be and how it really works can be very different. Which is why I try to stay ignorant of the personal beliefs and lives of the musicians whose music I listen to.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

Once you start thinking that the influences behind the art are separate from the product of the art itself, you're adhering to the mantra of 'ignorance is bliss' that really is kind of pathetic. If I see something, I will undoubtedly see the influences in the work itself; what defined your vision will ultimately appear in your creations.

 

[Draehl]

Once you start thinking that the influences behind the art are separate from the product of the art itself, you're adhering to the mantra of 'ignorance is bliss' that really is kind of pathetic. If I see something, I will undoubtedly see the influences in the work itself; what defined your vision will ultimately appear in your creations.

I dunno I'd have to agree with Krampus. It's best to leave music as music (okay, cover art is pretty badass) and don't try to delve too far into any of it. That being said, I'm not really bothered by who the artist is or their political leanings- I don't care that Varg burned churches even if I don't necessarily agree with that message.

 

[damnromulans]

some cases are too far in one direction to ignore, e.g. Cattle Decapitation or Graveland.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

I dont listen to Wolves because they are gay hippys.

 

[damnromulans]

You still have to use "ie" when you make "hippy" plural. High five for spelling it in the derogatory "y" form though, broham