Kenneth R.
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Ah, 24 hours until bullshit is officially banned. And then just a paltry 2 months until it begins.
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A blog from CNN...the Communust News Network...The liberals very own network? Puhleeeeeeeeeeze.
Monday, May 1, 2006 10:18 a.m. EDT
Sen. Joe Biden: Divide Iraq in Three
The senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee proposed Monday that Iraq be divided into three separate regions - Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/1/102240.shtml
What a BHO/Biden ass-kisser.
I heard about that report too, and I understand where you're coming from, but I do believe that if adequate sex education was provided, then people would be able to make informed, educated decisions about sexuality without thinking something is cool because they saw it on an episode of Sex and the City.
Sorry to make you out to be a giant a-hole, but as said before, it's not as if women who get partial birth abortions do it because they have blatant disregard for what's inside them. Late term abortions are often done because their health is at risk. What sort of mother would I be if I wanted to birth a child but not be around to raise it? What if you go in for an ultrasound and find out your baby is dead, or so unhealthy that they will die upon being born? Would you really want to carry a dead baby inside of you to term? Really? RE: the first trimester thing, I understand where you're coming from, but for some people money is an issue so they do need to wait as long as six months to have an abortion.
Word up.
Not really. You can't really legislate the Internet. Online porn was the only industry that increased in light of the stimulus check distribution. People will find a way to do what they want, when they want, and the temperance movement was a perfect example, and it's the reason why the war on drugs is such bullshit. There are other factors which would bring someone to commit rape and it's not just porn. Limiting porn availability is also unfair to the millions of people who watch porn and don't go out and commit rape. The argument you made is analogous to saying students who listen to metal go out and shoot kids at school.
Kenneth R.
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Neo-conservatism: A victory for stupidity, religious fanaticism, and poor social values in favor of misguided prejudices.
That was an amusing amount of catchup, a very good read of twisted bullshit. Jaz gets props for being closest at times to the reality of given situations. excluding the "sexist" distraction call.
Abortion will never be illegal in this country so I just cant believe people still argue it, should some nut cases ever decide to make it illegal it will still be prevelent in the country and quickly reversed AGAIN
Drugs will never be legal in this country and I muse at people argueing that as well... so please dont.
Porn and whorin have been with mankind throughout our history, people are very sexual and at the teen age its simply a timebomb, we shall not return to prude Victorian ignorance same as we will never live in the fear of "the Lord" as the churches so long pumped into most everyones heads.
Accountability is one thing we lack in many cases but promoting "abstenance" in the vein of ignorance is laughable. People are going to have sex, teenagers are going to have sex, accidents are going to happen.
We need not promote adaption to appease the yuppies that hated the idea of having children until the reality bell rang in their selfish little heads when they realized it was to late. Which brings us to partial birth abortions when woman over 40 cant carry or discover they have a down syndrome baby... like DUH! My sister tried for her second child in her late 30's and it almost killed her, I dont know the "dirty little" details but shes still alive thank goodness and there is NO baby. She is also very Christian BTW and they both were damn good parents to their first son, who is well in root to a successful life, and could have lost his mother around the age of 10 which speaking from FIRST hand experience is NOT a positive thing for a kid. OK ?
Viagra and the insurance companies, why should I have to tell anyone that its about MONEY and that the insurance companies and hospitols/drug companies/doctors are all in bed together, one great big money making machine ? Wait, dont try to tell me, I cant take the agony.
Anyhow, I've decided to do the write in vote because the aMErican political {moron} machine is just way to much for me to take part in, nobodys going to do the right things, they will continue to go back and forth accomplishing nothing and never take the hard stand to set things straight because they would never get elected because the aMErican people have the circulation cut off to their brains from anus strangulation, only worrying about what suits their personal needs and if someones "feelings" might get hurt or their "rights" violated.
Abortion will never be illegal in this country so I just cant believe people still argue it, should some nut cases ever decide to make it illegal it will still be prevelent in the country and quickly reversed AGAIN
Drugs will never be legal in this country and I muse at people argueing that as well... so please dont.
Porn and whorin have been with mankind throughout our history, people are very sexual and at the teen age its simply a timebomb, we shall not return to prude Victorian ignorance same as we will never live in the fear of "the Lord" as the churches so long pumped into most everyones heads.
Accountability is one thing we lack in many cases but promoting "abstenance" in the vein of ignorance is laughable. People are going to have sex, teenagers are going to have sex, accidents are going to happen.
We need not promote adaption to appease the yuppies that hated the idea of having children until the reality bell rang in their selfish little heads when they realized it was to late. Which brings us to partial birth abortions when woman over 40 cant carry or discover they have a down syndrome baby... like DUH! My sister tried for her second child in her late 30's and it almost killed her, I dont know the "dirty little" details but shes still alive thank goodness and there is NO baby. She is also very Christian BTW and they both were damn good parents to their first son, who is well in root to a successful life, and could have lost his mother around the age of 10 which speaking from FIRST hand experience is NOT a positive thing for a kid. OK ?
Viagra and the insurance companies, why should I have to tell anyone that its about MONEY and that the insurance companies and hospitols/drug companies/doctors are all in bed together, one great big money making machine ? Wait, dont try to tell me, I cant take the agony.
Anyhow, I've decided to do the write in vote because the aMErican political {moron} machine is just way to much for me to take part in, nobodys going to do the right things, they will continue to go back and forth accomplishing nothing and never take the hard stand to set things straight because they would never get elected because the aMErican people have the circulation cut off to their brains from anus strangulation, only worrying about what suits their personal needs and if someones "feelings" might get hurt or their "rights" violated.
Kenneth R.
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I'm proud of myself! I was able to resist the urge to reply to this thread for months! 
Thought I would share, haha
Thought I would share, hahaA blog from CNN...the Communust News Network...The liberals very own network? Puhleeeeeeeeeeze.
What a BHO/Biden ass-kisser.
Here's what you quoted:
I was wondering where the missing punctuation mark was, so I checked the article. Here is the whole sentence:
"WITH A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT". Epic failure on your part bro. So basically you plagarised your source to try to "prove" your point.
The article continues:
McFailin asskisser.
Next.
How is taking something that someone worked hard for and giving it to someone who hasn't earned it fair?
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I don't know that that approach will work. I think, based on the history of the reason, they will simply try to conquer each other. I think the important part is that centralized government part, and that centralized government needs to be representative of each region, promoting peace throughout the united country. Keeping the separated three regions defeats the purpose of the centralized government. You might as well divide it into three separate countries, each with their own government.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Yeah, good luck with that.
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Kenneth R.
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What language would you like me to reiterate it in such that it is absolutely clear to you?
You're making the mistake of assuming that
1. they all worked hard for it
2. much more importantly, you're assuming that the dynamic as it currently stands is fair to all. sure seems that way if you're pulling over 100 thousand, but the rest of us aren't as convinced.
3. just for added effect, you're also assuming that the people it's "given to" aren't earning it.
ABQShredHead
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The people it's "given to" have every opportunity afforded to every other American. It is the ones who take advantage of their opportunities who move forward. Regardless if the odds are stacked against you, you have the opportunities.
Here's such a story from my own life. I took on my current job over 12 years ago. My company started to offer an employee stock purchase plan. I was young, not too far removed from college, and one day I heard my boss ranting and raving about how the company was only looking for its employees to give their money back so they could use it to invest it. When the program started, stocks were priced at $8 a share for employees. In two years, my company split from its parent, and the parent offered a 2-for-1 split. Within two years of that, the same stock I could have bought at $8 a share was trading at $180 - over 22 times the original value. What if, instead of taking my boss' rant to heart, I would have instead invested $100 per month in the ESP? I think I would be sitting rather pretty right now, wouldn't I?
My point? Opportunities are out there, and you must choose which to take advantage of. My choice did ok for me, but I still kick myself for not knowing about stock markets and investments back then.
People do not flock to Europe to chase the American Dream, do they? Moving to a socialistic government, and pushing international law within our judiciary will only serve to dilute our country, the only country in the world that allows its people to dream, to chase those dreams, and, with hard work and perseverence, achieve their dreams. Sure, there are plenty of great places to live in this world, but I wouldn't trade them on this country for anything.
And, Ken, your last statement I agree with. Many people are out there toiling their selves to the bone. But there are also myriad success stories of people doing that exact same thing at any job, regardless of their pay, and eventually fulfilling their American Dream. Government interference, even in the form of a check, will dilute that dream, leaving people to focus on that new paycheck rather than on their dreams. And they may just miss that opportunity that knocks on their door.
Here's such a story from my own life. I took on my current job over 12 years ago. My company started to offer an employee stock purchase plan. I was young, not too far removed from college, and one day I heard my boss ranting and raving about how the company was only looking for its employees to give their money back so they could use it to invest it. When the program started, stocks were priced at $8 a share for employees. In two years, my company split from its parent, and the parent offered a 2-for-1 split. Within two years of that, the same stock I could have bought at $8 a share was trading at $180 - over 22 times the original value. What if, instead of taking my boss' rant to heart, I would have instead invested $100 per month in the ESP? I think I would be sitting rather pretty right now, wouldn't I?
My point? Opportunities are out there, and you must choose which to take advantage of. My choice did ok for me, but I still kick myself for not knowing about stock markets and investments back then.
People do not flock to Europe to chase the American Dream, do they? Moving to a socialistic government, and pushing international law within our judiciary will only serve to dilute our country, the only country in the world that allows its people to dream, to chase those dreams, and, with hard work and perseverence, achieve their dreams. Sure, there are plenty of great places to live in this world, but I wouldn't trade them on this country for anything.
And, Ken, your last statement I agree with. Many people are out there toiling their selves to the bone. But there are also myriad success stories of people doing that exact same thing at any job, regardless of their pay, and eventually fulfilling their American Dream. Government interference, even in the form of a check, will dilute that dream, leaving people to focus on that new paycheck rather than on their dreams. And they may just miss that opportunity that knocks on their door.
Because just because someone works for something doesn't automatically mean they deserve it. People are stupid and irresponsible with money. Even economic geniuses can be stupid with money at times. The entire point of making money is to be able to spend said money, and let's face it: people LOVE to spend money.
There's only 2 things that a human truly needs to survive: Sustainance and Shelter. If a human can pay for those in capitalism, then they should be fine (depending on how one defines "fine") Nothing else is truly necessary to survive by definition. But nowadays, you need transportation and communication as well, so those are other things to pay for.
It's a matter of practicality. Why do people really need to spend money on useless shit they're probably barely even gonna get ample use out of? Why not make that money go somewhere it needs to? Our country is in a trillion dollars of debt, and right now, I'm watching a bunch of millionaires run up and down a big field throwing a ball around. What do they spend their money on? Cars. Houses. Really cool shit. As cool as really cool shit is, do you really need it? Did Romeo really need all that gear in the studio pics to record Paradise Lost? No. All he needs in his basement is a computer, interface, a diesel fuckin' preamp and ProTools. I'm not saying that he was stupid with his money; I'm just saying that it's a matter of practicality.
Let me ask you, would you rather see someone spending their money at a Casino, or giving it to others to help them out?
Basically, my point is this:
If you can't pay for drugs, you can't buy drugs.
In other words, if you don't have money to be stupid with, you can't be stupid with said money.
It's not always about fairness.
Then again, that's probably just me and my naiive bleeding liberal artist heart and my crazy brain.
failtastic post, Harris.
The problem I have with any form of wealth redistribution is that it isn't going to be any less flawed than the way things are now. Who's going to be the guy to go to "rich" folks (after first setting the parameters for "rich") and determine on a case by case basis which of them have earned the right to their money and which of them have cheated their way to the top? Then, after confiscating said money, who's going to go around to the lower class folks and determine which of them "deserve" to be handed all kinds of benefits and which of them are societal scum that deserve nothing beyond their current status (because both extremes, not to mention a huge middle-ground, exist). While I personally can't relate in any way to the how some of the rich folks out there blow their money on such ridiculous shit (partly because I can't relate to being rich, mostly because I can't even imagine wanting such ridiculous cars, houses, etc.). How people spend their money is a moral issue just beyond the point of where I feel the government should have any say.
The problem I have with any form of wealth redistribution is that it isn't going to be any less flawed than the way things are now. Who's going to be the guy to go to "rich" folks (after first setting the parameters for "rich") and determine on a case by case basis which of them have earned the right to their money and which of them have cheated their way to the top? Then, after confiscating said money, who's going to go around to the lower class folks and determine which of them "deserve" to be handed all kinds of benefits and which of them are societal scum that deserve nothing beyond their current status (because both extremes, not to mention a huge middle-ground, exist). While I personally can't relate in any way to the how some of the rich folks out there blow their money on such ridiculous shit (partly because I can't relate to being rich, mostly because I can't even imagine wanting such ridiculous cars, houses, etc.). How people spend their money is a moral issue just beyond the point of where I feel the government should have any say.
ABQShredHead
©1970
Holy cow, that was hilarious!
And the rest of your text is well put and quite thoughtful.
If people blow their money, they blow their money. What can you do about it? A prime example is MC Hammer. I have a strong desire to be financially independent. To get there, I cannot buy stupid, self-serving, impulse-satisfying "stuff". I must free myself of debt. I must invest wisely. I must look beyond myself.
And I must not vote for Obama.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Zach in many ways. There are things about both Obama and McCain that I really like and things about both that make me sick. I can't convince myself that I will be content with having voted for either of them (and believe me, I've been weighing my options for about a year now) I am not necessarily happy that my options have left me in a position where I am voting against two candidates rather than voting for one, but it is what it is.
I still tried.
You're absolutely right about the fact that there'll be nobody to make that decision as to who deserves what, but you know what? That's where the lack of fairness comes in. Scum only become scum because of their conditions. And I'm making this assumption based on very little, so I'm looking at even more fail here, but honestly, I don't care. If I'm not confident enough to speak my mind here, then I feel I can't be confident enough to have a point of view on this at all, so I'm still trying.
If you've ever met anybody that received a fat check after September 11th of 2001, you'd probably understand my point a little bit better. I can't tell you how many people I've met that lost someone in the attack, got money from it and wasted it within weeks on all the forementioned pointless shit. That money was meant to be distributed to families for the purpose of being spent on shit like education and basic survival needs.
The same shit happens even with people who got their money other ways. People win the lottery and they start spending and spending and spending, usually with no thought about how to be productive with their money. On the off chance that somebody does win at a Casino, what do they do with the money? Chances are they'll keep gambling, just because they can. Seen it happen, don't want to see it again.
People have accused me of being an elitist, and believing that everybody thinks like me. But I do consider myself lucky that I come from a very fortunate background that allows me to think the way I do. And if I wasn't already trying to pursue a dream of being a great engineer (and if I wasn't psychologically addicted to weed, which is where my drug analogy came from, but that's for another time), I'd be putting all my money into doing good for my community. My brother and I have been planning for months now on how to better our hometown. The last time I spoke about it with him, he said he wanted to start running for small political seats to be able to have some kind of power to do good things for the community. This doesn't really have much to do with countering an argument; just better perspective on where I'm coming from. I just want to see the community prosper, even if it means losing money. I'd feel better about myself as a person, because I feel that giving money to the less fortunate is a mitzvah. In hebrew, Mitzvah means "Good deed". I just want to see people less fortunate than me be happy.
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Exactly...it just creates a stewpot for a civil war because it would become so territorial in the blink of an eye. The so-called "centralized government" would be useless.
Proghead3 said:Blah, blah, blah...some bullshit about a euphoric "centralized government" in Iraq that is basically split into 3 different countries.
If you would think instead of cupping Hussein's nuts you may make something of yourself one day. Naaa..forget it...wouldn't want you to strain yourself. :Smug:
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from another messageboard I frequent said:
Absofuckinlutely! And to think I had about given up on our education system.
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