An Idea for Opeth's 8th album

[TyrantOfFlames]

I'd kinda like it if Opeth did something I wouldn't have imagined for their next release.

Kushantaiidan
I think opeth needs to make a single song album. That is all.

Originally posted by Bleakest Harvest
Lol yeah like Green Carnation or Edge of Sanity. That would kick the asses of all!!

Green Carnation's attempt should have been cut in half, at least, and they also should have put more thought into which female singer to use. Edge of Sanity's attempt wasn't very cohesive.

I think if a 1-track album is to be made, there should be a reason to make it aside from just to make a 1-track album. I get the impression that Green Carnation just wanted a 1-track album. It has to be a very musically elaborate concept, with lots of room for additions and changes. Light of Day, Day of Darkness simply had too few changes in the music. The only significant change was the saxophone/singer part in the middle, which wasn't very good since both were off key. Edge of Sanity changed often enough, but it wasn't musically structured at all; it was simply a lineup of riffs. A 1-track album would have to intertwine one or more musical themes that constantly evolve to be effective. There has to be a reason that the song is 60 minutes and not twelve 5 minute songs.

 

[Ghost Tears]

Ill just leave the ideas up to Opeth they seem to be doing just fine without any help.

 

[TyrantOfFlames]

Originally posted by Jim LotFP
Live albums are only worth it if:

They change the songs somehow (else what the fuck is the point? That's what I hate about metal concerts... DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE FUCKING SONGS!), therefore giving you something different than what you've already got... many Opeth songs have great possibilities for jams... and frankly, there's plenty of an opportunity for an Opeth concert to be one long jam, weaving in and out of parts of their songs to make one cohesive whole.

OR

... they play songs live that have not yet been recorded (I wish a band would be courageous enough to do a live album of stuff that will NEVER be done in a studio...!)

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

No overdubs. I defy anyone to name me live albums with no studio fucking about (Unleashed in the East's vocals were done in Ozzy's house in England, Live After Death's guitars weren't live, etc)... if you fuck up, either keep it on record, or go play another fucking concert to record.

Otherwise, fuck live albums. Lied about studio recordings, with crowd noise over them, of songs I already have on CD are a waste of my goddamn life.

This is exactly my opinion. This is exactly why I do not like any live albums I have heard so far and why I didn't bother to download any of the Opeth bootlegs.

 

[Ghost Tears]

Midwintertears i like your name and all but it closely resembles mine.

 

[midwintertears]

Ghost Tears, sorry didnt see ur nick b4 though. 'm new to the forum.

Speaking of which, how do i get an avatar and remove that silly Junior Member thingie?

 

[Ghost Tears]

Click profile at the top of the page, go to edit profile

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by TyrantOfFlames
Light of Day, Day of Darkness simply had too few changes in the music. The only significant change was the saxophone/singer part in the middle, which wasn't very good since both were off key.

You do know this was intentional, right?

Originally posted by TyrantOfFlames
Edge of Sanity changed often enough, but it wasn't musically structured at all; it was simply a lineup of riffs. A 1-track album would have to intertwine one or more musical themes that constantly evolve to be effective. There has to be a reason that the song is 60 minutes and not twelve 5 minute songs.

I think the way Edge of Sanity did it is the only way to do it. It had its multiple verse parts and choruses and bridges...

 

[DemonOfTheFall]

Well I'd rather see an Opeth Live DVD than a live cd, I'll tell you that.

DVDs own.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by DemonOfTheFall
DVDs own.

... if watching music makes sense to you, I guess...

 

[YaYo]

Hmm.... apparently i have some different views.

I believe music, in an ideal world, should be a fluid thing... something that can be molded and is never quite the same. CDs however are very concrete, every note is exactly the same every time you play it, every noise, every tone, every tempo.... everything. This bores me. I love live CD's because they show the song from a different angle. Even if the band attempts to play the song note for note the same, there are differences (in tone, vibe, atmosphere, etc). I like these differences. Sometimes CDs have a strict and perfect feel, while in a live situation the band plays off each other and the song feels a bit more real.

Overall i don't know if its necessarily something worth the same price as an original CD though..

The best live album i've heard is Dire Straits' "On The Night". The reason being, the songs are different. There are more musicians (more layering, different tones, etc), the sections are changed around a lot (most songs a lot longer), there are 'jam' sections, parts added purely to work well live.. different variations of riffs. Im unsure how 'live' the playing really is, but regardless i really love that cd.

 

[Erich w/ an h]

When attending concerts, I prefer to hear live interpretations that are faithful to the recorded versions. Also, I loathe jamming. I pay to hear the songs I love by a band I love... not some inane jamming.

If you want it to sound like the cd... listen to the fucking cd. I totaly agree that Opeth could seriously jam something out, and in fact, they have. the end of "Deliverance" was a jam, they wanted to fade out but they didnt and kept going. Granted it was a jam that became the end of the song, but it still wasnt intended. I think you need to be exposed to good jamming (Pink floyd era). I pay to hear the song i love by the band i love played the way the band wants to at that moment, whether it be a new or old version. You want the original cd version... play the cd.

I think opeth needs to make a single song album. That is all.

Only if its of the quality of Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick. I dont want to hear opeth crank out shit like Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence. thats not prog, thats hair metal that goes on for 40 minutes too fucking long.

 

[DrBell]

to everyone who says they should be jamming and not playing the songs like they are on the cd.....then why do so many people go to the symphony? they dont jam!!

 

[ChrisEmerson]

hmm i like dream theater - 6doit. i prefer edge of sanity - crimson tho, thats the best single song album imo

 

[CliffEmAll]

DVD is definitely the way to go. You can always burn it on to an audio disc for listening in the car. That's what I did with my YES-"Symphonic...LIVE!" and Iron Maiden
"Rock in Rio" DVD's.


NP: King Crimson- The Power To Believe

 

[deathbearer]

An Opeth live DVD would be a nice gift..-l-

 

[Erich w/ an h]

to everyone who says they should be jamming and not playing the songs like they are on the cd.....then why do so many people go to the symphony? they dont jam!!

if you can honestly tell me you feel every symphonic reproduction of a classical piece sounds the same, then theres no use answering this question. Just cause the same notes are played doesnt mean theres no room for different arangements and different interpretations. And i hate to tell you, Mozart and many other classical composers were masters of improvisation. With the unfortunate circumstance that none of their improvisations could be recorded, the few that were documented are documented as fixed parts of certain pieces and thereby the spirit of the piece is changed. there are classical pianists that still improvise their own parts to certain pieces as per the structure of them, much in the same vein the composers did. Not to mention, whens the last time you heard of a recording made from, say, the bach era for which to set your standards for listening to the piece? *passes the salt for your foot*

Jamming is a bad word to use, so i do retract that, because anyone who thinks of jamming thinks of bands like the dead or phish who stand there and musicaly masterbate for 8 hours while stoned neohippies tape the shows. I can imagine opeth doing one of two things with a song live, which i dont think they do: rearange it, thereby making a newer rendition of an old favorite, or take certain parts of the songs and slightly extend them, thereby giving room for maybe a longer solo. Take Wreath for instance, that percussion section that lasts for too short a time would be awsome to be extended a bit for a live rendition.

Im in no way saying what opeth should or shouldnt do live. But i am saying that there's obvious room for making each live show a unique experience, otherwise whats the difference between seeing them and playing a mix cd?

 

[DemonOfTheFall]

When I saw Opeth at the San Francisco show on Jan. 31, either it was my imagination or they really did extend a riff.

Deliverance:
devil guides the way
Tells me what to say
Pours himself inside
And snuffs the final light

The riff backing up the vocals starting at 7:38 on the original track. Now I was stoned, so that might've added to the effect. But I distinctively remember headbanging to that riff alone, maybe my ears just focused on one guitar over the other during the solo, I don't know; but I remember it lasting its own small eternity. It felt like maybe two minutes of just that riff, it was a very exhuberating feeling. I almost wanna say that it kept going after the solo, because I think I remember the vocals, then the solo, then the riff. When I listen to the cd, the riff seems so short compared to what I remember live.

I don't know, if you remember that part in the show and you were there, then put my stoned mind to rest. But I swear I remember it that way.