Any one here religious?

Once again I'll ask this... Considering the point of the op.. I've seen nothing but atheists bag religion to most degree and Aaron got torn apart by stating his view, not only that, James you brought his intelligence into question through what he wrote. Personally, it's obviously to see why no religious people are bothering to retort in this thread. Most people have an issue with christians who recruit convert etc, and yet, people like aaron, myself and others have merely stated our stance, and yet I've seen things like "atheists are saving religious people" etc.

It's really quite hypocritical and sad to see things like this, it just proves to me further that if you can't at the very least accept that everyone will follow there own path and still be respected for who they are. Then trust me, none of you are any better than those you argue against.

Btw, ff13 is great so far, I'll take another break to read this rillercoaster thread
 
Could have fooled me. It's a ripoff of the Egyptian sun god Ra, who performed miracles, died, and then was resurrected three days later.

Can you point me in the direction of somewhere that I can read about this supposed Ra story? I can't find a single thing about it. (I am familiar with Ra, but not this particular story).

Regardless of whether or not the Ra story pans out, I have heard the claims that Christianity is just a mash-up other religions, but the Bible as a whole is much too cohesive for this to be a legitimate argument. It was written over multiple centuries (millennia actually), by dozens of authors from different social, professional, and cultural backgrounds, yet the story reads like a singular composition. Furthermore, the message contained in the Bible remains amazingly relevant when considered against modern culture, while all of these "mystery" religions of the past have long since vanished and are generally not even historically and factually verifiable anywhere even close to the degree that the Bible is.

Furthermore, you're leaving Jesus out of it entirely, who is a historical figure written about not only by Christian authors, but whose existence is also corroborated by secular authors from the same time period.

Even further still, consider the disciples who actually spent time with Jesus. Aside from Judas (who hung himself after betraying Jesus), and John, all were martyred for their faith. These people had nothing to gain, and they died gruesome, horrible deaths, which no man would have died only to preserve a lie about a Jesus who didn't actually exist or wasn't actually legitimate.

On the most fundamental level, it's the same as any other religion on several fronts:

1) Don't kill each other, unless the religion needs it, then have at it! (see Ireland for confirmation)

Right, solely because Ireland claims to be a Christian nation and there's lots of sectarian killing in that country, this is proof that Christianity says killing is okay when you get really, really pissed at someone else. Brilliant evidence.

2) Christianity is the one TRUE religion, the only path to God. All other religions are false. Wait... doesn't every other religion say the exact same thing?

And you're using this as evidence that Christianity is illegitimate? Whether or not I start a religion and claim it to be true says nothing of whether or not Christianity is actually true.

3) If you don't believe in Jesus, you'll suffer for eternity. But he loves you.

You've got it wrong... God loves us, so much so, that he is offering a way out of eternal suffering, despite the fact that we are all depraved and deserve nothing from him. Christianity is drastically different than your description.

I'm going to write about the old testament for all of you since it seems to be such a tremendous hangup, but I'm out of time right now.
 
Aaron don't bother man, either way you have your faith and you are happy with it, they have their belief or disbelief and are too, happy with that! So don't worry about it, otherwise this become like another sturgis thread haha!
 
Aaron don't bother man, either way you have your faith and you are happy with it, they have their belief or disbelief and are too, happy with that! So don't worry about it, otherwise this become like another sturgis thread haha!

I don't know why these threads keep coming up anyway. It's literally the same thing every time.:puke:
 
Can you point me in the direction of somewhere that I can read about this supposed Ra story?
I would, but hey, who needs proof? Take it on faith.


As for the Ireland thing, I think protestants/Catholics at each others throats is pretty good evidence of "killing in the name of."
It seems the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" is the first thing that gets thrown out the window when it becomes inconvenient. ...and I'm not just picking on Christianity, either. This goes for all the Abrahamic religions. Look at all the wonderful things the major religions have done for the kind folks of Jerusalem!


And please, don't assume I'm depraved. Judge yourself, not me.




On a side note, Aaron, I do respect you as person... please don't take my arguments personally. I do, however, enjoy a good debate.
 
It shits me that there's no common ground, I mean really. Is it so hard to accept either view?? I couldn't give a shit less if anyone is anything but religious.. I'm happy living my way, James is happy with his, Aaron with his, yet we excel at trying to bring others down, humanity is a sad sad thing...

It's one thing to discuss and give an opinion, but it's already become more than that, because everyone has an emotional compulsion to put forward why they are so right, that fact is, no one is right. All of us could be wrong and unknowing to all degrees, but instead of embracing what it means to have individual thought, choose and path, everyone wishes toncomvert the other to their doctrine. Even if it's presented differently.

Make your point and be done with it, otherwise feel free to segregate your humanity furthermore by continuing on this path of belittling those who simply think different to you!

That goes for both sides mind you, although it's obvious one side here despite general undersanding, is fast becoming that which it defies...


Onward...
 
1. I would, but hey, who needs proof? Take it on faith.


2. As for the Ireland thing, I think protestants/Catholics at each others throats is pretty good evidence of "killing in the name of."
It seems the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" is the first thing that gets thrown out the window when it becomes inconvenient. ...and I'm not just picking on Christianity, either. This goes for all the Abrahamic religions. Look at all the wonderful things the major religions have done for the kind folks of Jerusalem!


3. And please, don't assume I'm depraved. Judge yourself, not me.




4. On a side note, Aaron, I do respect you as person... please don't take my arguments personally. I do, however, enjoy a good debate.

1. Douchebag response to a legitimate question.

2. You missed the point - the people taking part in these are far from Christian, just like the Islamic extremists carrying out suicide bombings are far from Muslim. Just because someone claims to do something in under a certain flag does not make that thing representative of all others under that flag. By your logic, all Canadian's are rude, smelly, uncultured French-defects just because there happens to be a few of those in Montreal.

3. Huge debate not worth getting into, Hobbes and Schmitt have been talking about that shit for far too long. :lol:

4. Agreed, and I mean my comments in the same capacity. Besides the douchebag thing... your comment was actually uncalled for.


I have to say, and I think everyone here would agree with me - the world would be a much better place if all 'Christians' had the same mindset Aaron does.
 
1. Douchebag response to a legitimate question.




Wasn't trying to be a douchebag... merely using irony to prove a point. Apologies if it came across as rude/ignorant....certainly not my intent.

Honestly, I remember reading the story only in passing. If I come across it, I'll post a link.


2. You missed the point - the people taking part in these are far from Christian, just like the Islamic extremists carrying out suicide bombings are far from Muslim. Just because someone claims to do something in under a certain flag does not make that thing representative of all others under that flag. By your logic, all Canadian's are rude, smelly, uncultured French-defects just because there happens to be a few of those in Montreal.

No, you missed the point... we all live in igloos & travel by snowmobile!

Seriously though, I wasn't implying that all followers of religion are extremists, but that a religion should be held accountable for it's followers actions. Nothing more.




I have to say, and I think everyone here would agree with me - the world would be a much better place if all 'Christians' had the same mindset Aaron does.

Absolutely.
 
Wasn't trying to be a douchebag... merely using irony to prove a point. Apologies if it came across as rude/ignorant....certainly not my intent.

Honestly, I remember reading the story only in passing. If I come across it, I'll post a link.

My bad, I thought you were mocking Christianity as a faith based on taking things without proof. :lol:

While I don't inherently disagree that it should be held responsible for it's followers actions, I can't in good faith attack a system just because it has some systemic violence attached to it as a result of people being idiots.

It's kind of like how while I hate sweatshops, I don't blame capitalism for their creation - I blame the douchebag fatcats who abuse the system to justify what would otherwise be entirely unacceptable.
 
Can you point me in the direction of somewhere that I can read about this supposed Ra story? I can't find a single thing about it. (I am familiar with Ra, but not this particular story).


You can watch the religion section of the movie zeitgeist, here:


Zeitgeist



This pretty much sums up the story of most religions and how the stories correlate to the sun. I'm sure most here have seen it, but if not, you should. It's in the beginning of the first movie, not the "addendum". Religion topic starts at about 9 minutes in.
 
You can watch the religion section of the movie zeitgeist, here:


Zeitgeist



This pretty much sums up the story of most religions and how the stories correlate to the sun. I'm sure most here have seen it, but if not, you should. It's in the beginning of the first movie, not the "addendum". Religion topic starts at about 9 minutes in.

Dude Zeitgeist is 100% bullshit - none of that stuff is factually accurate.

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one/

^^references are actually cited.
 
It was written over multiple centuries (millennia actually), by dozens of authors from different social, professional, and cultural backgrounds, yet the story reads like a singular composition

you think those stories weren't revised over and over again over the millennia??

anyways, i'm not going to get involved in this shitfest...but i knew as soon as i read the title that it would be a stinnett/murphy trap!
 
God loves us, so much so, that he is offering a way out of eternal suffering, despite the fact that we are all depraved and deserve nothing from him.

Why are we depraved? What did we do other than be created by Him in His image to deserve to be considered depraved by default? Did He build this depravity into us by design or was it something one of our ancestors did? If it's the latter, why are we still paying for such a transgression now? Is that love or vengeance? Also, didn't God know this would all happen shortly after He created us? Shouldn't this have given Him some misgivings about starting the whole project in the first place? Was is Satan granted so much power? Surely a Creator capable of willing the Universe into existence could will Satan abolished and end the whole experiment.

Holy capital letters, Batman!

I'm not trying to argue, I'm genuinely looking for insight.
 
Thanks for the link Jeff. Interesting. Read a lot but not all. Kinda lost a lot of repect for the debunker after reading this page, which generally just made him seem like a total douche if you ask me.

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/cost/

Just made him seem ignorant and bitter.

Ignorant and bitter as he may be, he's got his head on right when it comes to historical facts and citing his resources ;).
 
that doesnt change the fact that zeitgeist is entertaining as hell

watch it stoned as fuck sans tin foil hat and prepare to feel the panic
 
After reading some of the 'atheist' comments in this thread, I have realized I would rather take a god-fearing creationist over the typical knee-jerk, pants-in-a-bundle atheist any day of the week. There are more important things we could debate, but no we rather debate over the validity of fairy tales. Oh no, you believe in those fairy tales? How about I proceed to tell you why you are fucked up and religion sucks for 8 pages :rolleyes:

For the record, I am an ant-theist. I hate labels, so I guess it is better to say I am me :cool: Believe in what you wish, because in all honesty you are too insignificant for it to even matter. :lol:
 
Ignorant and bitter as he may be, he's got his head on right when it comes to historical facts and citing his resources ;).

K dude. I'll dig deeper I promise. But at the moment im not seeing it. He just "dubunks" all the resources that zeitgeist used, some of the time saying that he couldn't get ahold of the book cited. Where most of his could be debunked just the same, and probably are somewhere. I'm sure once delving deeper into the back and forth i'll be reading the debunking of the debunking of the debunking.

It really just seems to me he's TRYING to debunk and finding references to suit his argument. The same thing that Zeitgeist itself is doing. Everyone can and does do that.