Arguing about music
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No, it's warm and has a luscious scent.
'Oh, do you? I like stuff that DOESN'T suck.'
'Oh, you have better musical tastes than me, I'm a stupid dolt
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'Yep.'
'I like Avril Lavigne and In Flames!'
'Oh, do you? I like stuff that DOESN'T suck.'
'Oh, you have better musical tastes than me, I'm a stupid dolt
''Yep.'
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you must have misunderstood me, i wanted to see you try to explain why your taste is so superior to everyone else's. and i don't really know what you are implying with Avril Lavigne, seeing how she's not a prominent discussion figure here at UM.Guardian of Darkness said:'I like Avril Lavigne and In Flames!'
'Oh, do you? I like stuff that DOESN'T suck.'
'Oh, you have better musical tastes than me, I'm a stupid dolt
'Yep.'
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I didn't say 'everyone else's', I said 'most people's'. Most people like shitty music. If you're basically asking 'who are you to judge what music is shitty and what isn't?' then my response is 'I'm someone who believes that he can'. Obviously, I'm just stating my opinions like everybody else, I just have a more objective tone (because I'm confident in my tastes) so I get flamed.
It's down to the whole equality thing again. Nowadays people refuse to be 'arrogant' because 'everyone has their own opinions and you should respect them!' The newsflash is that people aren't equal, some people are idiots, some people are inferior to others. I will judge whom it is that I think is an idiot and I won't hesitate in saying so.
It's down to the whole equality thing again. Nowadays people refuse to be 'arrogant' because 'everyone has their own opinions and you should respect them!' The newsflash is that people aren't equal, some people are idiots, some people are inferior to others. I will judge whom it is that I think is an idiot and I won't hesitate in saying so.
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tell me, what do you think of my "taste"? or anyone elses at UM? do you think I am inferior?
thing is, you claim to be forming your opinions around fact, while you in reality are trying to form facts around your own opinion. and you think you are right, simply because you feel that intelligence will guide you to the "correct" opinion.... there is no correct opinion.
and once again, you give me a copout answer. you can't explain exactly why your taste is superior, you are just basically saying, "well my taste is superior because i'm intelligent and therefore i listen to good music because its good as a fact".... as "confident" as you are in your tastes, they are just that, your own tastes, and once again I fail to see your superiority. is it just because you "think" you are superior? thats sad then.
thing is, you claim to be forming your opinions around fact, while you in reality are trying to form facts around your own opinion. and you think you are right, simply because you feel that intelligence will guide you to the "correct" opinion.... there is no correct opinion.
and once again, you give me a copout answer. you can't explain exactly why your taste is superior, you are just basically saying, "well my taste is superior because i'm intelligent and therefore i listen to good music because its good as a fact".... as "confident" as you are in your tastes, they are just that, your own tastes, and once again I fail to see your superiority. is it just because you "think" you are superior? thats sad then.
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I'm saying that the perfect person would listen to the perfect music. Obviously one can't obtain perfection, but I must judge people by something. Intelligence is certainly one factor among other mental characteristics. I'm not saying that everyone who listens to good music is intelligent (although this tends to be the case), but everyone who is intelligent (and knowledgable) will like good music. Those who are intelligent and not knowledgeable will admit that their opinion is invalid and they'll stop arguing.SunlapseVertigo said:
I'm confident in my knowledge of music and my ability to interpret it for what it is. I'm not blinded by aesthetic, I believe I have the knowledge to judge the compositional quality of songs. I am able to judge how effectively bands have expressed their ideas as an artform. I have no respect for people who enjoy bands whom I feel play bad music. I believe that some music is better and more innovative than other music, and I shall strive to persuade others that it is so. This attitude encourages progression rather than stagnation in metal. It always has done.
Imagine someone who had only just set foot on the Earth being asked the question 'Where is California?' They answer with 'Zebra'. Is this person's answer just as valid as 'USA' because it's an opinion? Of course not. If you haven't worked it out already, this example reinforces that knowledge is needed to judge the quality of music.
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I'd also like to add that you can NOT empirically prove the quality of something abstract. Don't bother asking me to.
replace "will like good music" with "will recognize good music". they don't have to like it, because there is undeniably something like personal taste.Guardian of Darkness said:
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If someone doesn't enjoy what they believe has quality, then they're basically admitting flaws in their own tastes.
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Some of the people tyhat I would deem the stupidest that I have met, listen to metal. Are you saying muisc that was creative from emotion is inferior to emotion that was created from intellect? THe people who compose from pure intellect are far limited to structures, conformity are less likely to let their mind wander into uncharted territory. Comparing the Romantic era to the baroque would be my example.
I doubt you have as much fromal musical knowledge as I do; if you even have any at all. I won't use this for superiority though. What makes you think you are so quallified to say the things you do? An example of your behavior would be say... self-appointing yourself the adjudicator of music.
I doubt you have as much fromal musical knowledge as I do; if you even have any at all. I won't use this for superiority though. What makes you think you are so quallified to say the things you do? An example of your behavior would be say... self-appointing yourself the adjudicator of music.
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I covered that when I said 'I'm not saying that everyone who listens to good music is intelligent.' Some good albums appear better on the surface than others.
No, but I am saying that those who are intellectual are better at expressing their emotion artistically.
I'm not pretending I'm the most knowledgable expert ever to live. I'm self-confident though. When I can't think of any logical points which would suggest that I'm not correct, I tend to believe that I am.
Well Guardian i have some advice for you- become a professor, it is the only was you can totally validate that ego and megalomania of yours onto younger and lesser students who cannot fight back for fear of failure.
Two, I wouldnt go around talking like that, unless you are a really big dude, cuz i would get pissed off pretty damn quick if i was around you and i could care less if you are "right", I do care that you are an annoying arrogant little brat, who needs constant positive validation of your massive intelligence. Being smart, unless just ridiculously smart( which i dont think you are) means you should understand that this condescending behavior of yours is not tolerated in society, and one for ones own good should instead create a image or mask of humility, or be hated for the rest of ones life.
Two, I wouldnt go around talking like that, unless you are a really big dude, cuz i would get pissed off pretty damn quick if i was around you and i could care less if you are "right", I do care that you are an annoying arrogant little brat, who needs constant positive validation of your massive intelligence. Being smart, unless just ridiculously smart( which i dont think you are) means you should understand that this condescending behavior of yours is not tolerated in society, and one for ones own good should instead create a image or mask of humility, or be hated for the rest of ones life.
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I'm not aiming to win friends here. Being hated over the internet doesn't bother me too much. I obviously act differently offline, like everybody does. Also, I oppose most aspects of modern society, and if I had my way many of the things which are accepted now wouldn't be tolerated.
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Ok well heres my thing. I can be a complete elitest when I want to be, and if I feel like it (ie the person has bad taste in music and a bad personality and they provoke me) then I'll go off on them, but this is pretty rare. But anyways, yeah I always think, "damn this person has shitty taste" or whatever, but the bottom line is I know that in the end their tastes are no better or worse then mine because, in my eyes, musical taste is like most things in life subjective. There no such thing as ultimate "good" or "bad" beyond any one persons eyes, and that includes music.
Well said Crimson Floyd, I totally agree, music is subjective. Yet I think we all can agree Opeth has added more to music and to nourishing those whom are musically inclined.
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