Does hardcore deserve a place in music?

[Oblivious Maximus]

I have a friend, who is formerly a "Straight-Edge" person.

When there are parties or such, we would offer him nice meat, beer to drink and he refuses to. We said, cut off the Straight-edge mentality or whatever you call it! It's just too annoying cause, we know he really likes to eat meat, but he still restricts himself to eat. What he did, was he bought food for himself, vegetables that is. I like veggies too, and now he shifts himself to emo, which is more gayer.

He even did plan to go to some temple or something...

How queer.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

So this awful band Norma Jean plays before God Forbid and the whoel audience is kung foo fighting. Some random girl is standing there enjoying the music and some bald 12 year old pussy runs up to her and elbows her in the head. I mean what the fuck?

I like Norma Jean, but that entire passage was just so fucking funny!

Sorry...

As far as the whole sXe thing, I'm all for abstinence from drugs or drinking and I hate racists, sexists, homophobes, gay-bashers, and forceful, inconsiderate atheists(the proselytizing, God's-not-real-and-that's fact! type). I happen to enjoy a ribeye now and then, and vegans annoy me, but to each their own.

I sure as hell ain't straight-edge. So if I fit almost all sXe characteristics and am not sXe, what's going on here? I'll tell you. sXe is another fancy diguise for elitism, only this one stems from personal belief or behavior as opposed to taste or intellect. In the end, it's all faggotry. Yeah, so I don't drink. That doesn't make me any "better" than anyone who does. If anyone thinks that, they deserve to be anal fisted by a pit ninja wearing brass knuckles.

 

[RosesofShadow]

In order to become "Straight-edge", they don't have to have tattoos too right? Cause i know someone who says that he is Straight-edge but he has tattoos, and piercings. wtf?

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I'm not sure. That would make sense.

 

[Cynical]

Now I know some of you consider Black Dahlia Murder a metal core band or whatever but I dont think so. I believe they are just a melodic death metal band.

Is there really any difference? Last time I forced myself to sit through Slaugther of the Soul, I noticed plenty of groove-monkey stop-start bullshit.

 

[The Grimace]

So if I fit almost all sXe characteristics and am not sXe, what's going on here? I'll tell you. sXe is another fancy diguise for elitism, only this one stems from personal belief or behavior as opposed to taste or intellect.

This is what few understand about sXe, it's not about the drinking and drugs and meat and whatnot, not specifically, it's more about keeping your body in it's pure birth state so that your mind will always function in it's fullest capacity, which is why they'll often abstain from sex, as it's considered a sort of 'drug of the soul' which inhibits your judgement and distracts you from whatever other causes you happen to support.

That said, your call in't too far off when it comes to modern day sXe, with the rise of 'hate-edge' and all the beatings and whatnot becoming so commonplace that nobody in the scene really challenges or questions it anymore.

My favorite sXe lyrics ever, and every elses too...

Minor Threat "Out Of Step"

Don't smoke
Don't drink
Don't fuck
At least I can fucking think

I can't keep up,
Can't keep up
Can't keep up
Out of step with the world

...and the song that single handedly started the sXe movement...

Minor Theat "Straight Edge"

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up my nose
Pass out at the shows
I don't even think about speed
That's something I just don't need

I'VE GOT THE STRAIGHT EDGE

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
'Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch

I'VE GOT THE STRAIGHT EDGE

 

[BikerMiceFromMars]

Ok, I've noticed many guys on this board and in my life who call themselves "straightedge", but as a former I feel I have to point this out...

NOTE TO ALL THE METAL GUYS WHO AREN'T AWARE:

BEING AN ACTUAL SxE MEANS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST NOT DRINKING OR DOING DRUGS. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, MY MOM COULD CALL HERSELF ONE.

I happen to believe in and support the traditional straightedge philosophy of no sex or eating meat in addition to no drink/drugs/smoking (though I don't follow it anymore by any means ) and I think the 'clean body, clean mind' concept has lost much of it's initial meaning with recent generations whoring out sXe to appeal to the masses.

still sounds like a bunch of self righteous garbage to me, especially with the no sex, no meat part.

 

[Cynical]

it's more about keeping your body in it's pure birth state so that your mind will always function in it's fullest capacity,

Uhh...what? Does your mind function at its fullest capacity as soon as your out of the womb? I don't believe so; last I checked, the brain isn't fully matured untill some time in the early '20s. "Keeping your body in its pure birth state" is a bunch of bullshit.

And, by the way:
it's = it is
its = possessive of it

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

I happen to believe in and support the traditional straightedge philosophy of no sex

 

[The Grimace]

still sounds like a bunch of self righteous garbage to me, especially with the no sex, no meat part.

Care to elaborate?

EDIT: Heh, I'll refrain from pointing out the obvious irony of someone with The Bird as their avatar calling anyone else "self righteous".

Uhh...what? Does your mind function at its fullest capacity as soon as your out of the womb? I don't believe so; last I checked, the brain isn't fully matured untill some time in the early '20s. "Keeping your body in its pure birth state" is a bunch of bullshit.

You're a real winner, aren't you? BIRTH STATE AS IN THE SAME UN-TAINTED PHYSICAL PURITY AS WHEN YOU WERE BORN! HOW IS THAT EVEN KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND? REALLY?

And, by the way:
it's = it is
its = possessive of it

Oh, yeah, sorry about that, guy.

 

[The Grimace]

Hey, I said I support it, I didn't say I follow it. I'm a flawed human with a weakness for stimulants/depressants, Swedish vodka, and blondes. I'd love to be able to go sXe again, but I'm too far out of the scene to ever embrace all it's aspects again.

Kinda why I'm embracing the 'brutal h/c' scene nowadays... nobody gives a fuck what you do. 'Sure, smoke crack, fuck 15 hookers a night, eat a whole pig, as long as you're heavy.'

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

Hey, I said I support it, I didn't say I follow it. I'm a flawed human with a weakness for stimulants/depressants, Swedish vodka, and blondes. I'd love to be able to go sXe again, but I'm too far out of the scene to ever embrace all it's aspects again.

Kinda why I'm embracing the 'brutal h/c' scene nowadays... nobody gives a fuck what you do. 'Sure, smoke crack, fuck 15 hookers a night, eat a whole pig, as long as you're heavy.'

I know, I was just being an asshole.

Beer+Pussy+Red Meat+Metal=Life

 

[Feicht]

Ok, I've noticed many guys on this board and in my life who call themselves "straightedge", but as a former I feel I have to point this out...

NOTE TO ALL THE METAL GUYS WHO AREN'T AWARE:

BEING AN ACTUAL SxE MEANS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST NOT DRINKING OR DOING DRUGS. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, MY MOM COULD CALL HERSELF ONE.

I happen to believe in and support the traditional straightedge philosophy of no sex or eating meat in addition to no drink/drugs/smoking (though I don't follow it anymore by any means ) and I think the 'clean body, clean mind' concept has lost much of it's initial meaning with recent generations whoring out sXe to appeal to the masses.

i agree, it's a shame that it has become a "fad" of sorts, but i disagree on your cut and dry description. in my neck of the woods at least, there are varying degrees.
you don't have to swear an oath of allegiance to hardcore or anything stupid like that some people that are sXe are also "vegans" which means they don't eat meat or animal by-products, but they're two seperate things that don't necessarily have to be connected. as for the abstinence aspect, it's generally aimed at eliminating promiscuity, not sex. anyway, i could go on but i'm sure it's mostly falling on deaf ears..

back to my original statement though, people put too much emphasis the ideological aspects of the music they listen to, when they should really just be doing things for themselves, not their "scene"...

 

[The Grimace]

back to my original statement though, people put too much emphasis the ideological aspects of the music they listen to, when they should really just be doing things for themselves, not their "scene"...

There is nothing but The Scene. There is no life but The Scene. All which is not The Scene, is evil. Love The Scene, for The Scene Loves You!

Otherwise, don't get all uppity skeeter, not like I was talking about you specifically or anything.

Oh, but this thing...

...as for the abstinence aspect, it's generally aimed at eliminating promiscuity, not sex.

What the fuck does that mean? How can one challenge promiscuity without having a basic problem with sex?

 

[no country for old wainds]

Promiscuity is frequent casual sex with different partners. Promiscuity is fundamentally a form of sex, but not the other way around. So the answer is, quite easily.

 

[Feicht]

Promiscuity is frequent casual sex with different partners. Promiscuity is fundamentally a form of sex, but not the other way around. So the answer is, quite easily.

exactly there's a difference between having sex in a monogamous relationship with your girlfriend and going out and fucking hookers and sluts at parties every night

 

[The Grimace]

exactly there's a difference between having sex in a monogamous relationship with your girlfriend and going out and fucking hookers and sluts at parties every night

I really, truly do not see the difference between the two, beyond the obvious bounds of some digusting 'cultural norm'. Is only having sex with 2 people better than 10? It's only one more person than one... you could theoretically be in two separate, commited relationships at the same time. Not likely, but possible. So then who's to say that someone who has sex with many random people isn't simply carrying on many different relationships that are only as shallowly 'commited' as the two people involved wish them to be?

So then, it comes down to the concept of 'monogamy', which is... you guessed it... nothing but a modern cultural/religious standard.

 

[Feicht]

I really, truly do not see the difference between the two, beyond the obvious bounds of some digusting 'cultural norm'. Is only having sex with 2 people better than 10? It's only one more person than one... you could theoretically be in two separate, commited relationships at the same time. Not likely, but possible. So then who's to say that someone who has sex with many random people isn't simply carrying on many different relationships that are only as shallowly 'commited' as the two people involved wish them to be?

So then, it comes down to the concept of 'monogamy', which is... you guessed it... nothing but a modern cultural/religious standard.

so you're saying.... having sex with your wife is no different than having sex with a stranger who you don't know?

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

I really, truly do not see the difference between the two

The second one is more fun.

 

[The Grimace]

so you're saying.... having sex with your wife is no different than having sex with a stranger who you don't know?

What Cryptkeeper said.

But that aside, define "know".