TechnicalBarbarity
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Wow .... just wow. I have nothing more to say on that.
I love Quarthon, but nothing from Bathory comes close to the first three Slayer albums.
Black Metal is the worst subgenre
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Wow .... just wow. I have nothing more to say on that.
I love Quarthon, but nothing from Bathory comes close to the first three Slayer albums.
I only care for the first two slayer albums. Reign on blood was ok but Id take darkness descends over it any day. After RIB they just went to shit imo. I hated South of Heaven sorry but I can only defend bad vocals so far. Also I disaprove of the way they recycled the Raining blood riff ofcourse I like Sodom and they recycle choruses. Bathory was more consistent and innovative imo plus I enjoy their music a lot more. That's just me but yeah I take Equinanthorn over Angel of death any day.
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Slayer was possibly the earliest practitioner of early extreme metal tremolo-picked riffing, and then considering the general intensity and speed at which the played relative to most other metal bands of their time, they were easily greater musical innovators than early Bathory was. Really, by any meaningful and consistent standard, Slayer was one of the most important first-wave black metal bands.
They weren't a visionary leap. First Bathory album is just good raw and ugly but catchy fun. Second was good slower atmospheric black metal and was also quite catchy. First 4 Bathory albums were all quite different in their approach which ones people prefer is a matter of taste but each does well at what it was trying to achieve. Quit comparing Bathory to Slayer and Manowar doing so is just silly. What do you consider a good black metal band? Dark throne? Transilvanian hunger is repetitive and uninteresting with crappy production and forgettable songs.
Slayer started off good but they've only gotten worse with each release. South of Heaven was utter shit. Its real sad Show no mercy was pretty damn cool. You seem to be more worried about influence than how good the actual music was. Also I don't see them as being Black metal just a darker thrash band. Influential to black metal sure but not black metal its self. Raining blood is a pretty goofy song bro.
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Try The Return of Darkness and Evil, The Golden Walls of Heaven, and Dies Irae for just a few obvious Slayer references.
Mayhem is pretty much the only proper second-wave band I really and consistently enjoy, but yeah, Darkthrone would be another example of good black metal (or at the very least, black metal which pioneered a new sound and influenced countless thousands).
Mayhem is pretty much the only proper second-wave band I really and consistently enjoy, but yeah, Darkthrone would be another example of good black metal (or at the very least, black metal which pioneered a new sound and influenced countless thousands).
I don't think your listening to a damn thing I've been saying have you? I don't care about influence nearly as much as how enjoyable. Again Transilvanian hunger was boring, repetitive, and full of forgettable songs. It had crappy production and wasn't very interesting tbh. How about this they all pale in comparison to the greatness of Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Deep Purple.
TechnicalBarbarity
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LOL @ calling one of the first thrash metal bands first wave black metal.
I've said it a million times, and i'll say it again .... just because certain bands influenced other sub-genres dosnt mean they played black metal or death metal. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that thinks Show No Mercy is black metal.
But then again, you've referred to Protest the Hero as technical thrash, so im not really surprised.
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Way to remove the critical context. I cannot see any fair metric that decides the middle songs of Blood Fire Death as black metal, but not early Slayer.
(A good portion of first wave black metal was speed or thrash metal, btw.)
(A good portion of first wave black metal was speed or thrash metal, btw.)
TechnicalBarbarity
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Yea, i'm with you on the S/T. It's clearly a thrash metal album ... and a fucking filthy, disgusting, awesome one at that. I always consisidered most of their earlier stuff to be proto-black metal, if we can call it that.
Mort Divine
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Do you even know the difference between thrash and black metal? Why give a shit about genres anyway their just titles used to help keep bands in specific files. Really imo there's only two genres that I really take into consideration. That's good music and bad music.
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My point is more that you call Blood Fire Death a godly black metal album and Slayer a joke, when the influence of the latter on the former is so blatant that you have to be listening to something other than the actual music to hold such an opinion.
Krow
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I like the first couple of Slayer albums. I call them a joke for albums South of Heaven and so on. Of all the bands in the so called big four they started off the strongest but like I said they got worse with each album. I don't dislike their influence I just see them as inconsistent. For those of us who do happen to be Bathory fans the band has blessed us with about 8 or 10 excellent albums and only two fuck ups. I'm not sure what of Slayer is generally appreciated by their fans but God hates us all was utter crap to me. I dunno I guess thrash bands aren't generally consistent besides Mekong Delta and a few others but I really hated South of Heaven.
Avigrus
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Did I say thrash metal? I meant trash metal my bad.They aren't thrash albums mate.
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