Black Metal.

Xanthippus said:
I'd get the Profanatica, but that depends on your tolerance for a style that is superficially extremely primitive.
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I ended up getting Profanatica. Cuz I was a buck short. I have Profanatica's 'Enemy of Virture' with all the demos and stuff. I really, really enjoy it. So hopefully the full length is good. Old Wainds is next on the list for sure though, as I'd really like to hear them. As for anti Watain and DsO posts: They both rule and I'm saddened by the sudden disdain for both.
 
Anti-Watain posts probably have a lot to do with "Sworn to the Dark" sucking ass. The first album was brilliant, and so was about half of the second; but SttD (just one letter away from STD...) is Gothenburg masquerading as "true black metal".
 
Alter said:
Can someone breakdown this whole "orthodox" thing for me. I am a little confused on how we can tag a band as "orthodox" simply for Satanic lyrical themes. Does that make all the early BM bands "orthodox" or is it simply just image issue, because I am not buying into that image.
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Bare with me, as i'm a little drunk right now.

The difference between bands labeled as orthodox and old bands that used to sing about satan is their intention. Early on the whole trend of singing about satan was for shock value, religion mockery and vain attemps at being dark. Nowadays the bands labeled as Orthodox black metal take the whole satanism (not that church of satan bullshit) issue more seriously. DsO is a good example of this, treating the whole issue like a religion. Using logical and philosophical points of view in an attempt to refute christian ideals.
 
Xanthippus said:
In other words, instead of using "Satan" as emblem of power or a feral state or liberation from fear and taboo, they use it like Christians do, to pile fantasy on top of fantasy and defend it with turgid logic? No wonder it's so boring, on the whole!
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Yes, that is true. This is what makes a lot of morons labe DsO as a christian black metal band. In truth, the orthodox movement is not so far removed from christianity. The whole submission to another being instead of self-empowerment is the same philosophy that christians carry.

I saw a not so bizarre discussion a couple of weeks ago at the royal carnage forum. The question was (in other words) why would you follow a leader that is already doomed from the start? It would be interesting to see the points of view of people that follow this kind of belief.
 
The first WITTR album sucks. In the first song alone, they've ripped off stuff from Ulver, Weakling, and Wyrd pretty blatantly, and probably more things that didn't catch my ear. I still think the second album has value, but overall, overrated stuff. I hope they go away after this new album, which probably will suck.
 
Ultimate_Symphony said:
Yes, that is true. This is what makes a lot of morons labe DsO as a christian black metal band. In truth, the orthodox movement is not so far removed from christianity. The whole submission to another being instead of self-empowerment is the same philosophy that christians carry.
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I always saw that kind of Satanism as a philosophical belief with God and Satan representing two parts of the human mind rather than a religious belief. God, trying to make you submit, and Satan standing for liberation and personal freedom.
 
Xanthippus said:
In other words, instead of using "Satan" as emblem of power or a feral state or liberation from fear and taboo, they use it like Christians do, to pile fantasy on top of fantasy and defend it with turgid logic? No wonder it's so boring, on the whole!
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My question is why should it matter what a band's philosophy is? I happen to like the MUSIC put forth by these bands, and the whole intellectual/mystical facade is a novelty that I think looks cooler than typical RAWR-DEATH-BURNCHURCHES-KILL-RAWR images that much of other extreme metal embraces.
 
Or look at it this way. Think of all the classical music that was religiously-inspired. It's some of the best, if not the majority of the best. That's how I think these orthodox bands are channeling their own inspiration into Black Metal. So what if it's a delusion? It gives these bands the drive to produce the best extreme metal I've heard this decade.
 
MasterOLightning said:
The first WITTR album sucks. In the first song alone, they've ripped off stuff from Ulver, Weakling, and Wyrd pretty blatantly, and probably more things that didn't catch my ear. I still think the second album has value, but overall, overrated stuff. I hope they go away after this new album, which probably will suck.
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The second one is great. The first one is terrible though and so is the most recent EP. I don't expect much from the new album.
 
Cynical said:
As for Antaeus "joining" noevdia... MkM was half-founder of noevdia.
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Ohh man, I'm getting a bit tired of fighting but....

Mkm is not half founder, he had his own label called spikekult productions and it sucked big time, he closed it around 2005. Hasjarl is the founder of NED and End All Life, it's really just one guy doing everything. I wonder why the guy is not just doing 1 label instead of two.

And that review you quoted was so hilarious... do you really think FM fans only discovered this band 1 month ago? I've been listening to Salvation since august 2002 (the promo was released during that month). So 7 years later a new album come up, I think fans has their right to be excited, even if you find the music generic and boring, you have to admit that Arioch is still one of the best & most versatile black metal singer ever.
 
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