Anti-Watain posts probably have a lot to do with "Sworn to the Dark" sucking ass. The first album was brilliant, and so was about half of the second; but SttD (just one letter away from STD...) is Gothenburg masquerading as "true black metal".
Black Metal.
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Bare with me, as i'm a little drunk right now.
The difference between bands labeled as orthodox and old bands that used to sing about satan is their intention. Early on the whole trend of singing about satan was for shock value, religion mockery and vain attemps at being dark. Nowadays the bands labeled as Orthodox black metal take the whole satanism (not that church of satan bullshit) issue more seriously. DsO is a good example of this, treating the whole issue like a religion. Using logical and philosophical points of view in an attempt to refute christian ideals.
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Yes, that is true. This is what makes a lot of morons labe DsO as a christian black metal band. In truth, the orthodox movement is not so far removed from christianity. The whole submission to another being instead of self-empowerment is the same philosophy that christians carry.
I saw a not so bizarre discussion a couple of weeks ago at the royal carnage forum. The question was (in other words) why would you follow a leader that is already doomed from the start? It would be interesting to see the points of view of people that follow this kind of belief.
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MasterOLightning
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The first WITTR album sucks. In the first song alone, they've ripped off stuff from Ulver, Weakling, and Wyrd pretty blatantly, and probably more things that didn't catch my ear. I still think the second album has value, but overall, overrated stuff. I hope they go away after this new album, which probably will suck.
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I always saw that kind of Satanism as a philosophical belief with God and Satan representing two parts of the human mind rather than a religious belief. God, trying to make you submit, and Satan standing for liberation and personal freedom.
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Mort Divine
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Zephyrus
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My question is why should it matter what a band's philosophy is? I happen to like the MUSIC put forth by these bands, and the whole intellectual/mystical facade is a novelty that I think looks cooler than typical RAWR-DEATH-BURNCHURCHES-KILL-RAWR images that much of other extreme metal embraces.
Zephyrus
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Or look at it this way. Think of all the classical music that was religiously-inspired. It's some of the best, if not the majority of the best. That's how I think these orthodox bands are channeling their own inspiration into Black Metal. So what if it's a delusion? It gives these bands the drive to produce the best extreme metal I've heard this decade.
Mort Divine
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The second one is great. The first one is terrible though and so is the most recent EP. I don't expect much from the new album.
Zephyrus
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I've heard a lot and liked a lot. But this stuff appeals to me most on multiple levels. I don't care how much a degree of pretentiousness it confers on me, perhaps that's why it's a good fit.
Dak
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Ohh man, I'm getting a bit tired of fighting but....
Mkm is not half founder, he had his own label called spikekult productions and it sucked big time, he closed it around 2005. Hasjarl is the founder of NED and End All Life, it's really just one guy doing everything. I wonder why the guy is not just doing 1 label instead of two.
And that review you quoted was so hilarious... do you really think FM fans only discovered this band 1 month ago? I've been listening to Salvation since august 2002 (the promo was released during that month). So 7 years later a new album come up, I think fans has their right to be excited, even if you find the music generic and boring, you have to admit that Arioch is still one of the best & most versatile black metal singer ever.
Someone forgot the original Immortal logo.Is Satyr's Storm band considered Black Metal?
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